Making Sense of the Battleground

[zenobia42]

And finally the list that is meant to replace the outdated "Universal Fighter Selector" on page 1:

Fire	Water-earth. Cthulhu or cyclops. {Earth or water} with {anything but nature or dark}.
Nature	Ruby. Gem (with anything but earth). Fire with anything but earth.
Earth	Emerald. Unicorn, cyclops or cthulhu. Nature with {anything but fire or electric}.
Water	Citrine. Electric with anything but fire; Xmas or V-Day with no fire.
Dark	Treasure. Living wood; or fire with anything but gem.
Electric	Cyclops. Earth with anything but water or V-Day.
Gem	Treasure. Treent; or dark with {anything but nature or earth}.
Treasure	Poodle. Another Xmas; or nature with {anything but dark or gem}.
Living Wood	Water with {anything but dark or gem}.
Valentine	Anything without water. Electric USED to be strong to Valentine, and our Valentine is still weak to electric. But the last 2 tournaments, the OPPOSING Matripony has no weakness.
nature-fire	Ruby. Steamtrunk. Gem (with anything but nature). {Fire or water} with {anything but nature or dark}.
earth-fire	Cyclops or cthulhu. Water-earth. Unicorn or Emerald. {Earth or water} with nature.
water-fire	Electric-earth. Love Dove. Citrine or cyclops. Matripony; or {earth or electric} with water.
dark-fire	Earth-fire, water-fire or water-earth. Treasure. Treent.
electric-fire	Cyclops. Earth with {fire, electric, water or Valentine}.
gem-fire	Treasure. Treent, or water with anything but nature.
Xmas-fire	Cyclops. Earth with {fire, electric or water}.
Valentine-fire	Cyclops. Earth with {anything but nature or dark}.
earth-nature	Emerald. Unicorn, ruby or cthulhu. Nature with {fire, water, dark or Xmas}.
water-nature	Citrine. Gem (with anything but earth). Any Xmas; V-day (no earth); or electric with {anything but earth}.
dark-nature	Ruby. Fire with anything but earth. Treent.
electric-nature	Ruby. Gem (with anything but water). Fire with {anything but water or V-Day}.
gem-nature	Ruby. Dark-fire. Unicorn, Citrine or Cthulhu. Treent, or {fire or dark} with {water or electric}.
Xmas-nature	Ruby. Gem with anything but water. Fire with anything but earth or water.
water-earth	Emerald. Poodle. Unicorn or Citrine. {Nature or V-Day} with anything but fire.
dark-earth	Emerald or Treasure. Treent; or nature with {anything but electric}.
electric-earth	Emerald or cyclops. Earth-nature. Unicorn or Citrine. {Nature or earth} with dark.
gem-earth	Treasure, unicorn, emerald or cthulhu. Treent or dark with {water or nature}.
valentine-earth	Emerald. Gem (with anything but fire or water). Nature with {anything but fire or water}.
dark-water	Treasure. Any Xmas or V-Day; or electric with anything but gem.
electric-water	Electric-earth. Citrine or cyclops. Poodle; or {Earth or electric} with {nature or dark}.
gem-water	Electric-dark. Treasure or Citrine. Matripony; or {dark or electric} with water.
electric-dark	Earth-fire. Treasure. Treent; {Fire or earth} with {nature, dark, electric or Xmas}.
gem-electric	Treasure. Treent, or {dark} with {fire, earth or electric}.

This is a work in progress ATM.

[zenobia42]

And I guess the post above was the the final one lol. Now, the fourth way of showing that info. This is for you, cocauina.

Fire is strong to: nature and dark.
Fire is weak to: earth and water.
Fire is neutral to: electric, gem, treasure, living wood, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Nature is strong to: earth and treasure.
Nature is weak to: fire and gem.
Nature is neutral to: water, dark, electric, living wood, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Earth is strong to: fire and electric.
Earth is weak to: nature and gem.
Earth is neutral to: water, dark, treasure, living wood, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Water is strong to: fire and living wood.
Water is weak to: electric, Xmas and valentine.
Water is neutral to: nature, earth, dark, gem, treasure, and shamrock.

Dark is strong to: gem.
Dark is weak to: fire, treasure and living wood.
Dark is neutral to: nature, earth, water, electric, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Electric is strong to: water and valentine (unless it's a Matripony in the arena - in that case our electric is NOT strong to it, even though the reverse is not the case).
Electric is weak to: earth.
Electric is neutral to: fire, nature, dark, gem, treasure, living wood, Xmas, shamrock, and the arena's special no-weakness Matripony.

Gem is strong to: nature and earth.
Gem is weak to: dark, treasure and living wood.
Gem is neutral to: fire, water, electric, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Treasure is strong to: dark and gem.
Treasure is weak to: nature and Xmas.
Treasure is neutral to: fire, earth, water, electric, living wood, shamrock and valentine.

Living wood is strong to: dark, gem and shamrock.
Living wood is weak to: nothing as of 4/9/15.
Living wood is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, water, electric, treasure, Xmas and valentine.

Xmas is strong to: water and treasure.
Xmas is weak to: shamrock.
Xmas is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, dark, electric, gem, living wood and valentine.

Valentine is strong to: water and shamrock.
OUR valentine is weak to electric. ARENA valentine is weak to nothing as of 4/9/15.
Valentine is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, dark, gem, treasure, living wood and Xmas.

Shamrock is strong to: Xmas.
Shamrock is weak to: living wood and valentine.
Shamrock is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, water, dark, electric, gem and treasure.

[rjazz]

And finally the list that is meant to replace the outdated "Universal Fighter Selector" on page 1:

Fire	Water-earth. Cthulhu or cyclops. {Earth or water} with {anything but nature or dark}.
Nature	Ruby. Gem (with anything but earth). Fire with anything but earth.
Earth	Emerald. Unicorn, cyclops or cthulhu. Nature with {anything but fire or electric}.
Water	Citrine. Electric with anything but fire; Xmas or V-Day with no fire.
Dark	Treasure. Living wood; or fire with anything but gem.
Electric	Cyclops. Earth with anything but water or V-Day.
Gem	Treasure. Treent; or dark with {anything but nature or earth}.
Treasure	Poodle. Another Xmas; or nature with {anything but dark or gem}.
Living Wood	Water with {anything but dark or gem}.
Valentine	Anything without water. Electric USED to be strong to Valentine, and our Valentine is still weak to electric. But the last 2 tournaments, the OPPOSING Matripony has no weakness.
nature-fire	Ruby. Steamtrunk. Gem (with anything but nature). {Fire or water} with {anything but nature or dark}.
earth-fire	Cyclops or cthulhu. Water-earth. Unicorn or Emerald. {Earth or water} with nature.
water-fire	Electric-earth. Love Dove. Citrine or cyclops. Matripony; or {earth or electric} with water.
dark-fire	Earth-fire, water-fire or water-earth. Treasure. Treent.
electric-fire	Cyclops. Earth with {fire, electric, water or Valentine}.
gem-fire	Treasure. Treent, or water with anything but nature.
Xmas-fire	Cyclops. Earth with {fire, electric or water}.
Valentine-fire	Cyclops. Earth with {anything but nature or dark}.
earth-nature	Emerald. Unicorn, ruby or cthulhu. Nature with {fire, water, dark or Xmas}.
water-nature	Citrine. Gem (with anything but earth). Any Xmas; V-day (no earth); or electric with {anything but earth}.
dark-nature	Ruby. Fire with anything but earth. Treent.
electric-nature	Ruby. Gem (with anything but water). Fire with {anything but water or V-Day}.
gem-nature	Ruby. Dark-fire. Unicorn, Citrine or Cthulhu. Treent, or {fire or dark} with {water or electric}.
Xmas-nature	Ruby. Gem with anything but water. Fire with anything but earth or water.
water-earth	Emerald. Poodle. Unicorn or Citrine. {Nature or V-Day} with anything but fire.
dark-earth	Emerald or Treasure. Treent; or nature with {anything but electric}.
electric-earth	Emerald or cyclops. Earth-nature. Unicorn or Citrine. {Nature or earth} with dark.
gem-earth	Treasure, unicorn, emerald or cthulhu. Treent or dark with {water or nature}.
valentine-earth	Emerald. Gem (with anything but fire or water). Nature with {anything but fire or water}.
dark-water	Treasure. Any Xmas or V-Day; or electric with anything but gem.
electric-water	Electric-earth. Citrine or cyclops. Poodle; or {Earth or electric} with {nature or dark}.
gem-water	Electric-dark. Treasure or Citrine. Matripony; or {dark or electric} with water.
electric-dark	Earth-fire. Treasure. Treent; {Fire or earth} with {nature, dark, electric or Xmas}.
gem-electric	Treasure. Treent, or {dark} with {fire, earth or electric}.

This is a work in progress ATM.

I like this one!!!!

[cocauina]

And I guess the post above was the the final one lol. Now, the fourth way of showing that info. This is for you, cocauina.

Fire is strong to: nature and dark.
Fire is weak to: earth and water.
Fire is neutral to: electric, gem, treasure, living wood, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Nature is strong to: earth and treasure.
Nature is weak to: fire and gem.
Nature is neutral to: water, dark, electric, living wood, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Earth is strong to: fire and electric.
Earth is weak to: nature and gem.
Earth is neutral to: water, dark, treasure, living wood, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Water is strong to: fire and living wood.
Water is weak to: electric, Xmas and valentine.
Water is neutral to: nature, earth, dark, gem, treasure, and shamrock.

Dark is strong to: gem.
Dark is weak to: fire, treasure and living wood.
Dark is neutral to: nature, earth, water, electric, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Electric is strong to: water and valentine (unless it's a Matripony in the arena - in that case our electric is NOT strong to it, even though the reverse is not the case).
Electric is weak to: earth.
Electric is neutral to: fire, nature, dark, gem, treasure, living wood, Xmas, shamrock, and the arena's special no-weakness Matripony.

Gem is strong to: nature and earth.
Gem is weak to: dark, treasure and living wood.
Gem is neutral to: fire, water, electric, Xmas, valentine and shamrock.

Treasure is strong to: dark and gem.
Treasure is weak to: nature and Xmas.
Treasure is neutral to: fire, earth, water, electric, living wood, shamrock and valentine.

Living wood is strong to: dark, gem and shamrock.
Living wood is weak to: nothing as of 4/9/15.
Living wood is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, water, electric, treasure, Xmas and valentine.

Xmas is strong to: water and treasure.
Xmas is weak to: shamrock.
Xmas is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, dark, electric, gem, living wood and valentine.

Valentine is strong to: water and shamrock.
OUR valentine is weak to electric. ARENA valentine is weak to nothing as of 4/9/15.
Valentine is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, dark, gem, treasure, living wood and Xmas.

Shamrock is strong to: Xmas.
Shamrock is weak to: living wood and valentine.
Shamrock is neutral to: fire, nature, earth, water, dark, electric, gem and treasure.

Now I will copy this info for an note pad and when TL decides to change things again I will change them also, but probably will ask when I'm not sure ahahah

[zenobia42]

A few things to check out if anyone gets a chance if you please:

Cosmic element - please list the effect your cosmic attack had vs. any opponent and whether it was weak, strong, or neutral (no message). PLEASE NOTE: A critical hit does NOT mean it is strong. There is a chance that a critical hit can result from any strong, weak or neutral attack. It's just that the stronger your attack, the more likely it is to land that all-important critical hit. So if your attack only lands 1 or or more critical hit, and no non-critical hits, then it does not tell us whether the attack was strong, neutral or weak. Only that you were lucky.

I am going to try cosmic in the battlegrounds which I continue to not finish, in order to test stuff like this.

Also, living wood used to be weak to water. But as of the last tournament, the ARENA's Treent of Life was weak to nothing. I am wondering if Treent is now weak to water again or not, or weak to anything else now.

[zenobia42]

Battle 1: Cosmic attack was WEAK vs. earth-nature. Time to start the possibility branches: A) cosmic < earth & = nature, B) cosmic < nature & = earth, or C) cosmic < earth, < nature.
Battle 2: Cosmic attack was NEUTRAL vs. dark-fire. So D) cosmic = dark, = fire or E) cosmic > dark, < fire or F) cosmic < dark, > fire. This tells us nothing about which or A), B) or C) is true.
Battle 3: Cosmic was NEUTRAL to electric-water. So we need a third possibility train: G) cosmic = electric, = water, H) cosmic < electric, > water or I) cosmic > electric, < water. No further info on A vs B vs C or on D vs E vs F.
Battle 4: earth-nature again. Shoulda looked at my own battlegrounds thread and seen it coming lol.
Battle 4: Cosmic was WEAK vs. earth-fire. It's still possible it is more complicated than this but it is probable that it is weak to earth, and neutral to fire, nature, water, dark, electric.
Battle 5: Cosmic was NEUTRAL to treasure. I had been really hoping there would be a new element strong to treasure since I have such a TERRIBLE time with treasure in tournaments now and TL started putting not one but TWO treasure animals in EVERY tournament, even flash tournaments.

to be continued...

Preliminary Conclusions:
It MIGHT BE: weak to earth, and neutral to fire, nature, water, dark, electric.
It is definitely neutral to treasure.

[cocauina]

zenobia

Cosmic from Lemurcury is neutral to Valentine Matripony

[readysetgo888]

Since I'm sitting out this tournament anyway, I can definitely try it.

I have the Plutopus:
Neutral to fire-nature
Neutral to dark-nature
Neutral to dark-water

[chippychan]

Cosmic was NEUTRAL against electric-dark (Rumblebee).

It seems like it's neutral to everything but weak to earth at this point. I am truly curious about how it does against the treent element (living wood). I'm going to try when I get there in the tournament.

[YasminIssa]

As I mentioned in Growvine tournament thread, I tried Plutopus, cosmic hit against Unicorn and gave me 3 neutral hits. This prove that Cosmic element is neutral to gem as well.