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goodbrothersjohnandjohn
07-28-15, 10:31 AM
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Who can breed this Super Rare?

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Rarity: Super Rare
Type: Black White Blue
Habitat: Black Sands, White Meadow, Blue Lagoon
Available at: Level 23
Buying Price: 1,200 Gold
Selling Price: 100 Coin
Breeding & Incubation: 18 hours
Exp Gained: 1,740 Exp[/QUOTE]
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amerirish
07-28-15, 10:36 AM
OMG OMG OMG!! I am an official Crazy Cat Lady so I MUST have this one!!!! My new very favorite dragon :D

ETA: First try with Night & Metal, 17 hours - I realllllly hope it's Cloud (don't have one) instead of Luck (more like Yuck) lol

2nd attempt on other nest with Raven & Metal, 12 hours - boooo I have all the possible dragons :(

amerirish
07-28-15, 10:44 AM
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Rarity: Super Rare
Type: Black White Blue
Habitat: Black Sands, White Meadow, Blue Lagoon
Available at: Level 23
Buying Price: 1,200 Gold
Selling Price: 100 Coin
Breeding & Incubation: 18 hours
Exp Gained: 1,740 Exp

Paleon
07-28-15, 11:15 AM
Dropping everything; I need this dragon. I love cats! Maybe I can score an Archangel as fail, too.

First attempt; 25hrs. Welp, definitely not Siamese or Archangel.

JMThrive
07-28-15, 11:38 AM
WOW, just got it on my first try with Moon and Water, 18 hours in my breeding den now.

Kennedward
07-28-15, 11:40 AM
Finally a type I would breed for, not bad for a new dragon :D

TwiWoods
07-28-15, 11:46 AM
I might have to breed three of these - Dad, Mom and Baby! Lol

belarica
07-28-15, 11:51 AM
First attempt using metal x night elf, got 15 hours deep dragon �� I don't have it yet so it's a good fail.

Kennedward
07-28-15, 12:17 PM
Oh man! Just checked and found all my black & blue habitats are all full, my white habitats only have 1 more spot but I have it reserved for Ivory Dragon, currently still mining for it. So I won't be able to place it even if I do breed it, that's really too bad, I really wanted this one!

amerirish
07-28-15, 12:19 PM
I wish we had the option to put eggs in storage :(

Kennedward
07-28-15, 12:20 PM
I wish we had the option to put eggs in storage :(

AGREED! That would be a nice option to have!

But then again, it'll just mean more dragons in storage for me LOL :D

barbaraann72
07-28-15, 01:20 PM
I need this in my life!!

krystynam
07-28-15, 01:28 PM
MUST. HAVE. THIS. DRAGON.

!!!!!!!!!!

Let breeding commence!

Kennedward
07-28-15, 01:40 PM
Good luck to all those trying for it! :D

jim23cash
07-28-15, 03:02 PM
Got it with Moon and Moonlight. But I have no room for it, so it will remain homeless until we get more land.

barbaraann72
07-28-15, 04:12 PM
Got it with Moon and Moonlight. But I have no room for it, so it will remain homeless until we get more land.

Do you leave it on a nest?

owa411
07-28-15, 04:16 PM
Finally a type I would breed for, not bad for a new dragon :D
I am soooo gonna try for this one!!! :) :)

Kennedward
07-28-15, 04:35 PM
I am soooo gonna try for this one!!! :) :)

Good luck!

oo56
07-28-15, 06:13 PM
Try 1 - Cloud Dragon w/ Night Dragon = 10 hrs. (Coral Dragon or Messenger Dragon):(

freshfunin2008
07-28-15, 07:26 PM
my first fail is Moon. Of course 31 hours . Great

zaccy678
07-28-15, 08:19 PM
KITTY!!!! :o :o :o

Natasha_07
07-28-15, 08:22 PM
This is a cool looking dragon, it's awesome. I hope it's not too difficult to breed. :)

mimiamelia
07-28-15, 09:51 PM
Love it! Good luck to all:)

1 coral & 1 luck for me so far....sigh

popcorn_belle
07-28-15, 10:27 PM
will try this using Disco dragon x Night dragon:
1st - 17 hrs (? most probably Luck :( )

kimandamelia
07-28-15, 10:32 PM
I will try for this until I get it! Using Tsunami and Archangel, figure using a super rare and a non breedable together has to be better than
Sigh, 1st try is Luck....

Kennedward
07-29-15, 06:01 AM
KITTY!!!! :o :o :o

Yea, that's why I wanted it, I love cats

Marmalademuffin
07-29-15, 06:24 AM
My favorite dragon in a long time!

Perry9877
07-29-15, 06:25 AM
I wish we had the option to put eggs in storage :(

I also wish that! Another idea that came from another game is to be able to display unhatched eggs. Some eggs are so beautiful! I know many people do not have enough room, but on my island I cannot breed myself out of a wet paper bag and have TONS of room.

amerirish
07-29-15, 06:28 AM
I'm now breeding Fail #3 and Fail #4 using Metal/Night and Metal/Raven :(

I'm going to be royally mad if I miss this one :mad:

Kennedward
07-29-15, 06:28 AM
I also wish that! Another idea that came from another game is to be able to display unhatched eggs. Some eggs are so beautiful! I know many people do not have enough room, but on my island I cannot breed myself out of a wet paper bag and have TONS of room.

Wow you're really on the opposite end! Good luck breeding! :D

belarica
07-29-15, 06:41 AM
I'm now breeding Fail #3 and Fail #4 using Metal/Night and Metal/Raven :(

I'm going to be royally mad if I miss this one :mad:

It's not limited, is it??

Kennedward
07-29-15, 06:45 AM
It's not limited, is it??

I don't think so, unless it says "limited time" beside the dragon, I doubt it'll be removed anytime soon

JMThrive
07-29-15, 07:20 AM
Even the egg on this one looks pretty cool. 18 more hours in the nest.

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Kennedward
07-29-15, 07:25 AM
Even the egg on this one looks pretty cool. 18 more hours in the nest.

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Nice! And congrats! :D

amerirish
07-29-15, 10:44 AM
Even the egg on this one looks pretty cool. 18 more hours in the nest.

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Congrats!! And thanks for posting the pic - just when I thought I couldn't love this dragon any more, I see that beautiful egg :D

Kennedward
07-29-15, 11:01 AM
Congrats!! And thanks for posting the pic - just when I thought I couldn't love this dragon any more, I see that beautiful egg :D

I know right? Really wish I have space for this dragon, this is a new dragon that I want, something new for quite some time now! lol

amerirish
07-29-15, 11:22 AM
I know right? Really wish I have space for this dragon, this is a new dragon that I want, something new for quite some time now! lol

That really sucks :( We will be getting more space within the next 6 months or so according to a mod (I think it was kooky) - can you stick somebody in the stable or evict a common guy & get him back later?

Kennedward
07-29-15, 11:25 AM
That really sucks :( We will be getting more space within the next 6 months or so according to a mod (I think it was kooky) - can you stick somebody in the stable or evict a common guy & get him back later?

No, because I don't even have space to fit the stable, even if I did, I probably won't spend gold for it.

Anyways, i'm thinking of trading away some of the common or easy to get dragons, like Firestorm, Mist, Coral, those guys that can be easily bred, so I have more room for new dragons.

BiteMe111
07-29-15, 11:42 AM
Trying for it on two dens, but keep getting Corals and other commons. :(

barbaraann72
07-29-15, 11:46 AM
Even the egg on this one looks pretty cool. 18 more hours in the nest.

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LOVE it! Congratulations!!!

Paleon
07-29-15, 11:52 AM
Four hour failure now, at least it's short.

Sandybellee
07-29-15, 12:27 PM
This one is so beautiful! I'm definitely going to try for it later! (The only black gem dragon I have so far is the Amphora, so probably have to get Night first.)

amerirish
07-29-15, 12:33 PM
This one is so beautiful! I'm definitely going to try for it later! (The only black gem dragon I have so far is the Amphora, so probably have to get Night first.)

You could try Metal & Leo; Rainbow Sentinel & Virtue; Metal & Astromancer or Metal & any Champ if you don't have a pure black element dragon. Good luck!

owa411
07-29-15, 12:45 PM
Will give it a go later on with archangel x diamond. Keep you all posted ;)

Sandybellee
07-29-15, 01:15 PM
You could try Metal & Leo; Rainbow Sentinel & Virtue; Metal & Astromancer or Metal & any Champ if you don't have a pure black element dragon. Good luck!

Thank you, but I don't have any of those yet. (Although Virtue is being bred right now.) I only started playing about a month or so ago. I'm on level 29 now. I've been leveling up fast because of hours and hours of farming 30 second food for the Amphora to complete the Dragon Tales.

BiteMe111
07-29-15, 02:25 PM
Still failing but at least it's a welcome fail this time: bred an Archangel (the proud parents are Night Elf and Disco).

krystynam
07-29-15, 02:40 PM
Congrats to everyone who has been lucky enough to hatch this beauty!!
Good luck to everyone trying.

I don't have many dragons to get this one :( But I'm going to give it a try with Warrior King x Zephyr as it's the lowest # of possibilities ((37) out of the pairings I do have.

#1: Love
#2: Athletic
#3: Luck
#4: 17hr (Cloud, Luck, Super....hopefully not Luck)

orleansparish
07-29-15, 02:41 PM
Ill try for this one for a week or so. In the hopes I get this one or archangel.

Kennedward
07-29-15, 04:22 PM
I'll try for this one after I get my Helios, unless it's getting expired soon

owa411
07-29-15, 07:35 PM
Laid Cerberus attempts to rest. So first try came 1hr short: diamond x archangel gave 17hrs. Either cloud/luck...

bakerystoe
07-29-15, 08:51 PM
I got the moon second try! yay I van now craft the Comet?! If I get archangel it's ok I can craft a tiger eye!

mimiamelia
07-29-15, 09:48 PM
Yes:):) After 2 coral & 1 luck, I got 18 hour on the den using lotus x soulmate. I never get new dragons this fast, so happy & surprised right now! Good luck to those still trying!

drachenhase
07-29-15, 11:01 PM
got it on 2. try with night + winter, yay :D (first try was night and hippogriff = luck)

synasuga
07-30-15, 04:05 AM
got it on 4th try with Archangel and Diamond

Mythdefied
07-30-15, 09:17 AM
Night x Metal. I've never had much luck with the black hybrids and it doesn't look like that's changing anytime soon. Had two fails already and another going now.

krystynam
07-30-15, 10:23 AM
Luck is not on my side. I've tried 6 different pairings several times with mostly commons as the results :(

amerirish
07-30-15, 10:29 AM
got it on 2. try with night + winter, yay :D (first try was night and hippogriff = luck)

Congrats!! I haven't been doing well with Night & Metal or Raven & Metal (all Luck & Winter fails) so I think I'll switch to your combo :)

belarica
07-30-15, 11:42 AM
Got archangel on the nest as a fail :D

krystynam
07-30-15, 11:43 AM
After many attempts, with many useless fails, finally got the purrrrrrfect egg specimen!


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Kennedward
07-30-15, 11:48 AM
After many attempts, with many useless fails, finally got the purrrrrrfect egg specimen!


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Congrats my friend! :D

nic1967
07-30-15, 01:45 PM
I'm getting lots of winters as fails BUT I just got moon! I've been trying to get it since it was released & never had any luck before. I'll defnitely take this fail. Hopefully I'll get archangel too. Lol....I'm using night & snow owl.

belarica
07-30-15, 02:22 PM
I'm getting lots of winters as fails BUT I just got moon! I've been trying to get it since it was released & never had any luck before. I'll defnitely take this fail. Hopefully I'll get archangel too. Lol....I'm using night & snow owl.

Good luck!! I'm hatching archangel right now, so happy about it that I'm taking a break from trying to get this kitty dragon. ��

BiteMe111
07-30-15, 02:47 PM
Yeah, the Archangel I bred yesterday is evolving to level 4 right now. Congrats to everyone else who got this welcome fail.

Paleon
07-30-15, 04:30 PM
No Siamese or Arch, but I got a Deep, I think. Neither account has one, until now, so that's kind of neat.

BiteMe111
07-30-15, 05:08 PM
Another Godmother (already got one as a fail, that other one was my first, but I don't need more of them now) and now a 12 hour fail (5 possibilities, all of which I have). Still no Siamese.

kirby52
07-30-15, 05:38 PM
Got it also..fourth try with Archangel and Diamond..now to find it a home ��

debhutchinson
07-31-15, 06:44 AM
And a cheer rang out throughout the land as the proud parents (Moon & Water) announced the expected arrival of their daughter (Siamese) in 18 hours. Fertility experts were consulted and "Boosted Breed" technique was used.

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Good luck everyone.

rummie55
07-31-15, 10:58 AM
Just got my second diamond try for this with moon and hercules

Kennedward
07-31-15, 10:58 AM
Nice dragon but I won't try for it right now, I got Prime dragons to go for now :cool:

rjazz
07-31-15, 04:42 PM
I got an Archangel, a moon & a hippogrff no siamese so far. Have to have one!

tengoambre123
07-31-15, 06:27 PM
aaaaaaand of course, the first fail is a Winter

BiteMe111
07-31-15, 07:37 PM
I'm getting it! I'm getting it! According to the calculator "Breeding Archangel and Mercury can result in 1 possible dragon with the incubation time of 18 hours". :-D

PinkBubbles75
08-01-15, 10:09 AM
Currently trying to breed it with my Night (level 7) and Winter (level 4) the cheap boosted breed this weekend. I hope I have a easier time trying to get it.

1st try: coral...
2nd try: moon (31 hrs is waay too long- probably gonna use gold to speed it up at some point -_-) (I guess I'll keep it since I don't have this one)
3rd: coral..
4th: winter... (Moon is still hatching 8ish hrs left) thank God for having two nests

cazile81
08-01-15, 10:20 AM
I'm getting nothing but the usual long common fails trying for this beauty on my main account using Diamond and Archangel . However on the upside of things, my cas623 account I had an Anubis and a Mercury fail using the same combo. My fails on my other accounts were commons and Seafarer(nmt1026) using Rainbow Sentinel/Bubble Gum, and commons and Diamond(Jamesbakerytop) using Rainbow Sentinel/ Sugar Plum. On nmt1025 account nothing but common fails.

Peggyg723
08-02-15, 04:59 AM
just got a moon fail.... but I needed it! happy day!

sipland
08-02-15, 05:36 AM
Prior to boosted breeding just common fails.
So far with boosted breeding -2 winters, and another coral.

Have been using Blue/White x Night.
And now a Seafarer fail (small whoop)! (Hippogriff x Night)

Will keep trying for this elusive one! Good luck everyone!

blackeneddove
08-02-15, 06:28 AM
I'm getting it! I'm getting it! According to the calculator "Breeding Archangel and Mercury can result in 1 possible dragon with the incubation time of 18 hours". :-D

Congrats!! :) Thanks for this! I might be getting archangel right now! So excited. (keep your fingers crossed for me) That way when I do, and whenever I'm also lucky enough to get a mercury I will know which combo to use for siamese! :):cool:

blackeneddove
08-02-15, 06:31 AM
My neighbor got siamese with Lotus x Soulmate. I tried it for 4 breeds and got my second nightelf & 3 commons (Luck, winter, & coral) so I have switched to a new combo. Good luck to everyone!

blackeneddove
08-02-15, 06:39 AM
Congrats!! :) Thanks for this! I might be getting archangel right now! So excited. (keep your fingers crossed for me) That way when I do, and whenever I'm also lucky enough to get a mercury I will know which combo to use for siamese! :):cool:

Nevermind. No archangel for me. I got my third metal dragon instead. :(

Switching to yet another combo that doesn't have metal fails. lol ;)

belarica
08-02-15, 07:23 AM
Nevermind. No archangel for me. I got my third metal dragon instead. :(

Switching to yet another combo that doesn't have metal fails. lol ;)

You can use metal to breed with to avoid having it in the pool ��

hon3ycomb
08-03-15, 12:34 AM
Alright, so i'm also trying to get this one using Night 7 x Blue Moon 4. I got common fails, winter and luck x3 times or so even with boosted breed on. Yesterday, I got Mistmoth and then after Disco became level 7, I swapped Blue Moon with it. This morning I got Celestial (even forgot to push the boosted breed button, lol). And now I'm having 14 hrs of incubation time and it might turn out to be a Night Elf / Seafarer. Either way, I'm glad for the present outcomes since i don't have any of these dragons. I'm very sure that my luck will run out really soon though! xD

Annica5
08-03-15, 12:43 AM
I got a Darksteel fail! Using Dark Angel x Metal, sort of hoping for fails... But I really want Siamese too! Boosted breed works great for me, got a Seafarer earlier.

amerirish
08-03-15, 11:57 AM
I got fails of Deep & Godmother which I'm happy about because I don't have them, but I really really really want a Siamese!! :(

Kennedward
08-03-15, 12:23 PM
Ok, will also be trying for this one now that I bought the stables, getting bored of seeing the same fails for awhile, would be nice to change types

Sandybellee
08-03-15, 01:34 PM
Sigh... I've tried around 26 times now and still no Siamese. At this rate I'm lucky if I get it by Christmas! Lol

Congrats to all who've been lucky to get this beauty!

rheeanna
08-03-15, 03:34 PM
Sigh... I've tried around 26 times now and still no Siamese. At this rate I'm lucky if I get it by Christmas! Lol

Congrats to all who've been lucky to get this beauty!


I too tried every combination of black...blue white from light to moonlight, dark angel and hippograff. Someone posted early they got this lovely dragon from water and moon first try!!!!

As did I....I almost fainted first try using water...yes I used moon before...but who would have thought a simple combo would work first time...I must have tried 24 times or more since Thursday with two breeding tables.....

Now for archangel!!!!!!!!

Good luck to my dragon story friends here and thank you!

amalsaba
08-04-15, 07:06 PM
I'm sick of the endless fails. Since it's been released I 've gotten nothing but luck and coral. Team lava why bring so many dragons so often that are impossible to breed. Please....... games should be fun and not frustrating! !!!!

Kennedward
08-04-15, 07:15 PM
First try, got Winter fail

Mythdefied
08-04-15, 10:23 PM
I'm back to trying for this now. Night x Metal; likely a coral fail, so I'll just keep on trying. There are three fails I'd seriously love to have from this pairing.

Kennedward
08-05-15, 06:16 AM
I'm switching between Helios, Prime Power, and this one, hopefully I'll get one of them soon lol

Paleon
08-05-15, 01:14 PM
Ugh, I didn't even notice there's another 8hr dragon as a possibility from trying for Siamese. I thought I might've gotten lucky with an Archangel fail (Don't want the Godmother), but no. Disco's only rare too, naturally.

Kennedward
08-05-15, 01:54 PM
Got another fail again today lol, it's so boring with fails all the time

barbaraann72
08-05-15, 02:42 PM
Starting for this super adorable one now!

sipland
08-06-15, 07:46 AM
Countless corals, a smoke, 2 seafarers, winter, and now an 8 hr fail. Please let it be an archangel!

MaribouMay
08-06-15, 08:35 AM
I have been trying for Siamese almost non-stop since it came out. So far it is all Luck, Winter, Coral, and Disco. Currently breeding: another 17 hour fail.

I did get Smoke early on which I had been wanting for a while and I got Mistmoth with my last attempt during boosted breeding.

amerirish
08-06-15, 08:50 AM
I've been trying (and failing) almost non stop too. I took a short break to breed Puffer, but at the time, I had two dens going. I'm really frustrated with all of the Winter & Coral fails :( I've never tried so hard for a non Diamond dragon but I really really want one of these!

MaribouMay
08-06-15, 09:34 AM
I've been trying (and failing) almost non stop too. I took a short break to breed Puffer, but at the time, I had two dens going. I'm really frustrated with all of the Winter & Coral fails :( I've never tried so hard for a non Diamond dragon but I really really want one of these!

I so understand how you feel! I may have to take a break and try for something else for a bit. I almost cried when I saw this last 17 hour timer.

amerirish
08-06-15, 10:17 AM
Uggh, I hate seeing 17 hours too :(

Q22014
08-06-15, 11:09 AM
I like many of you have been trying almost non stop, and this morning it happened! I got a Siamese, so don't give up just yet.

Good Luck everyone.

amerirish
08-06-15, 12:25 PM
I like many of you have been trying almost non stop, and this morning it happened! I got a Siamese, so don't give up just yet.

Good Luck everyone.

Congrats!!!! What combo worked for you?

Mythdefied
08-06-15, 02:29 PM
Nothing but Corals, over and over, no matter what pairing I use.

Kennedward
08-06-15, 04:04 PM
Same here.... starting to feel bored when I only get fails for every dragon i try

Sandybellee
08-06-15, 10:38 PM
I like many of you have been trying almost non stop, and this morning it happened! I got a Siamese, so don't give up just yet.

Good Luck everyone.

Many congrats! :)

I'm close to 40 attempts in now and still no Siamese. Just got Moon though, so that's good!

Kennedward
08-07-15, 06:39 AM
Will be trying for this again after my Virtue fail is finished breeding

Q22014
08-07-15, 07:09 AM
Congrats!!!! What combo worked for you?



I used ying yang and water.

Good luck

Kennedward
08-07-15, 07:14 AM
I used ying yang and water.

Good luck

Will try that combo after

inesat
08-07-15, 07:15 AM
Ok, good news. I just got this beauty! The egg is as cute as the Siamese itself!
I was trying for it since it was released non-stop, with Mercury/Moon.
This is less that two weeks, which is not bad at all for a tri-colour super rare.
So everyone keep trying, it seems like this one is totally feasible! Best of luck!

amerirish
08-07-15, 08:05 AM
I used ying yang and water.

Good luck

Thanks! I'll try that one too since Night/Winter and Night/Metal haven't done a thing for me :)

owa411
08-07-15, 04:10 PM
still trying... nothing but Luck and Coral fails.... Got lucky once: when I've got Disco dragon as a fail.

owa411
08-07-15, 04:12 PM
Same here.... starting to feel bored when I only get fails for every dragon i try

In my short absence, did I miss when you've got Helios?? I see that you've got 15/15 diamonds...

Weedle33
08-09-15, 10:26 PM
I got the cat on accident. Bred my new FLAMETAIL from the tournament with a night dragon. Bam, kitty cat

Sandybellee
08-10-15, 01:28 AM
I got the cat on accident. Bred my new FLAMETAIL from the tournament with a night dragon. Bam, kitty cat

Congrats! I must try that pairing after the event. Just put Night and Winter again and got a second Deep. It's definitely a keeper!

Kennedward
08-10-15, 06:29 AM
Still fails....

PrincessCouture2014
08-10-15, 09:01 AM
Oh man! Just checked and found all my black & blue habitats are all full, my white habitats only have 1 more spot but I have it reserved for Ivory Dragon, currently still mining for it. So I won't be able to place it even if I do breed it, that's really too bad, I really wanted this one!

Bug u can try for the Android a/c no?

Kennedward
08-10-15, 10:29 AM
Bug u can try for the Android a/c no?

Wow, that's an old post before I made space lol, now I have room for it

amerirish
08-10-15, 01:47 PM
Haven't gotten a kitty yet, but I did get an Archangel 'fail' :D

pernmagic
08-10-15, 02:09 PM
Haven't gotten a kitty yet, but I did get an Archangel 'fail' :D

That's a brilliant "fail" :)

saghaven
08-10-15, 09:25 PM
I just got it on my Kindle account. Moon and Metal

kooky panda
08-11-15, 10:38 AM
Wow!! This is a tough one! Still trying!

stashlova
08-12-15, 10:43 AM
No luck yet. Did get a Dark Angel with Mercury/Moon though. Still trying. Will probably use flametail and archangel moving forward

amerirish
08-14-15, 09:28 AM
This is crazy....two weeks of trying and still nothing :(

Sandybellee
08-31-15, 02:58 AM
I just bred the Siamese with free boosted breeding!!! So happy! I had tried over a hundred times before. I used Night and Flametail. :)

stashlova
09-07-15, 07:08 AM
Just got her with Moon/Mercury!

roguebee
12-08-15, 01:00 PM
A little late to the game, but I just got her as a fail using Metal and Astro.

duduloi
12-16-17, 01:51 PM
I still trying for this one (2 months full of failures) with Cloud/Winter. I need Siamese or Archangel so badly for Arena ....

kooky panda
12-18-17, 10:12 AM
I still trying for this one (2 months full of failures) with Cloud/Winter. I need Siamese or Archangel so badly for Arena ....

Siamese needs black, white and blue.
I would try using a black dragon along with a blue/white combo dragon.

duduloi
12-30-17, 07:31 AM
Night + Cloud did (finally) the trick.

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