Ideas for new layout

[noplacelikeit]

How about having tables that seat 4 and the food gets served smaller to accommodate this and food cooked go on one counter instead of spreading out on all of them. I suggest you look at facebook cafeland to see what i mean

[pieandcream]

that would change the entire make up. tbh im fine with the way it is.

[VelvetyChocolate]

I'm also fine with the way it is. I just store empty counters if I want the same foods to go on one counter. :)

[VanaCatu]

consolidating food in one counter leads to sales lowering.
making one table for 4 seats is not changing of entire MAKE UP, it's GLOBAL changing of game code, whch is not good for network casual, i guess ))
one object -> one action of each type with this object. that's how it works.
one table - one seat - one customer - one plate - one tip.

it is just other type of games u talk about.
where a bird looks, flies and cries like birds an not like we have here ))
f.e., RS2 is a step to such a games level, BUT only ONE step, + BUT completely other game with completely different code (:

so, in some meanings, it's like comparing and/or trying to assemble miles and pounds )))

[deekathleen]

Why does consolidating the same food onto one counter lead to lower sales?

[whoviankat]

Why does consolidating the same food onto one counter lead to lower sales?

I'm curious about this too. Sometimes I cook up some brownies or coffee or something else quick just so I can get the multiple counters of the same item consolidated into one. Is that a bad idea?

[PrairieGrass]

High earning foods like red velvet cake (RVC) (12 coins) or sugar cookies (10 coins) or anything above 4 coins for that matter should NOT be consolidated onto one counter, so that you can earn your money back the fastest. It's ok to consolidate lower earning foods and especially 1coin foods like brownies onto one counter. For example, say you have one counter with brownies (1coin) and one counter with any 4 coin food. Then you cook RVC on all 18 ovens. You should then put the 18 servings of RVC onto 18 different counters. The result is 20 counters (18 earning 12 coins, 1 earning 4 coins,and 1 earning 1coin). So 18 out of 20 times, or 90% of the time, a 12 coin plate is served (using this example only). If you consolidate the RVC onto 1counter, resulting in 3 total counters, then 1out of 3 times, or 33% of the time, the 12 coin RVC is served. This is also important due to the lower total servings of RVC per batch. Either way, you'll eventually earn the same coins back, but you'll earn it much much faster if you don't consolidate the high earning foods like RVC onto a single counter. Some people will actually discard lower earning foods that are on counters when they cook RVC to maximize the speed of profits from the RVC, as the lower earning foods slow down the profits. I personally would not discard any food I have due to the high cost in BS to cook almost everything! Hope this explanation helps.

[PrairieGrass]

Just to give one more realistic example: Say you have 9 counters of 4 coin food (all different foods so you can't consolidate them) out in your bakery. Now you make 18 servings of RVC and put it all on ONE counter, making 10 total counters. You would now be serving RVC just 1 out of 10 times, or as little as 10% of the time. If you don't have a lot of coins, you might get into a negative cash flow situation and have to wait and earn more coins before you can afford to bake more RVC or other foods with high cooking costs.

[Lenn_ann]

I'm curious about this too. Sometimes I cook up some brownies or coffee or something else quick just so I can get the multiple counters of the same item consolidated into one. Is that a bad idea?

I think that's not a bad idea.. But how would it be? Should they have to reconfigure the game by changing the way of playing adding some options? If so, in that case that's as VanaCatu said, they'd have to change their gaming code so it won't be possible.

[Lenn_ann]

High earning foods like red velvet cake (RVC) (12 coins) or sugar cookies (10 coins) or anything above 4 coins for that matter should NOT be consolidated onto one counter, so that you can earn your money back the fastest. It's ok to consolidate lower earning foods and especially 1coin foods like brownies onto one counter. For example, say you have one counter with brownies (1coin) and one counter with any 4 coin food. Then you cook RVC on all 18 ovens. You should then put the 18 servings of RVC onto 18 different counters. The result is 20 counters (18 earning 12 coins, 1 earning 4 coins,and 1 earning 1coin). So 18 out of 20 times, or 90% of the time, a 12 coin plate is served (using this example only). If you consolidate the RVC onto 1counter, resulting in 3 total counters, then 1out of 3 times, or 33% of the time, the 12 coin RVC is served. This is also important due to the lower total servings of RVC per batch. Either way, you'll eventually earn the same coins back, but you'll earn it much much faster if you don't consolidate the high earning foods like RVC onto a single counter. Some people will actually discard lower earning foods that are on counters when they cook RVC to maximize the speed of profits from the RVC, as the lower earning foods slow down the profits. I personally would not discard any food I have due to the high cost in BS to cook almost everything! Hope this explanation helps.
My head is burning lol :p
I do see what you mean, but then what if you could only consolidate food that have the same height of earning? Shouldn't be ok? Then it won't decrease the profit you make with.?

[deekathleen]

Thanks for the explanation.

[talensnana]

I consolidate all my food except Red Velvet Cake, Cappachino and one other drink which is high dollar. Since I have mastered these I only do it a few times a month when I want to build up $. Personally I limit my counters to 15 or less (unless I have the high $ recipes) because I find it has made the game more fun and I am a level 99 for a couple of years. I am still mastering recipes and to me it looks more like a real place of business. Personally I consider anything under 8 coins to be average. Feel free to check out my bakery. I am not really adding new neighbors but will add you if you want to see. I am talensnana and I have Nanas bakery.

[VanaCatu]

omg, ms. Prairie, u r incredible! :))))

in other words, all the counters are being sold out evenly.

let's say, 100 plates per day from each.

so, it is easier / faster to clear 500plates' counter than 30'000plates' one.


i'm not using this myself, since funds r not in top priority for me currenly.
my priority is hellion counters obstructing my shop.
adding even 5 is ****ing me, lol :) nothing to talk about 10-20 more.


the only thing i have no idea about, is for how much counters the "even sales" work?

i mean, if i put as much counters as my space allows (let's say, 350-400), will they go evenly too?
will they go slower in this case?
is there a limit of max quantity of plates sales per day?
does anyone have an idea?

[zZ_guera_Zz]

Changing all of those things would make it a different game entirely so I highly doubt they would ever consider doing it. Especially the counter thing. Boy, would everyone be mad. lol

[VanaCatu]

Boy, would everyone be mad. lol
uhu, deadly mad, bet they would! lol ))))

Even more than with this latest "Puebla Crisis". So much tears-n-blood put into forums for "unlocking" - and finally the guys gave up!

I wanna believe it now sd stop. Now. After guys shown that the code isn't so easy to just change, at one stroke of magic wand.

Wht was initially meant to be gotten via goals steps - sd stay as it is.
Otherwise it can cause such a mess!!! I'm just waiting for Monday to see how can it be fixed. Right now it seems for me, that only via deleting this "re-release", like the latest expansion.

I have nothing against newer player had older stuff (i'm +/-new myself, have nothing untill mid 2013, and really wish to have all those things).
I just don't like mess.
I like when smth sd be done - it has to be prepared 200%, rechecked 300%, and done 100%.
If smth cannot be done - it sd be once and clearly announced, and then any tears-n-blood in official pages (including forums) sd be prevented, closed and deleted as having no grounds and prospects.

One thing is to put out something removed (hatcheries, santa's, etc...). The other thing is to re-code locked "precious" to make it show up and work properly without making respectively programmed steps.
One thing is to add some dishes to existing oven, and the other thing is to make cyber-eaters to sit-n-eat 4 per table.

Oh well... who cares? People just want unicorn, IDDQD, all-and-now!
So why not let them have it if they don't wanna hear about side effects? :)

[VanaCatu]

Why does consolidating the same food onto one counter lead to lower sales?

I'm curious about this too. Sometimes I cook up some brownies or coffee or something else quick just so I can get the multiple counters of the same item consolidated into one. Is that a bad idea?
fyi, in addition to above said.
i was checking during last 3 days.

each counter sells 475 plates per day.

so, for example, u have no food at all. and u do on 10 ovens some recipe for 475 plates.

- if u put all 4'750 plates to one counter - next day u come, and u still have counter with 4'275 plates.

- if u put it on 10 counters - u come next day, and they r empty.


thus (for example, yr recipe gives standard $4 per plate income),

- one counter will give u $1'900 income per day

- 10 counters will give $19'000.

[Nightstar913]

That might be true if you serve multiple dishes. All I serve is RVC. and it's on one counter. Also, in order to sustain a 24/7 operation you need a LOT of ovens producing a 22 hour product.

[VanaCatu]

i had 80 counters. to check the sales, i've added 3 more, and served them with the food i've already had among those 80.

the same food disappeared with same results as different dishes: still 475 plates per day (+/-10 plates).



again, i have no idea for how much counters those 475 work.

wd be interesting to check max qtty, but don't think i'm ready to pull down the whole bakery and to populate it with counters, lol )))

wd be also interesting to check MIN qtty (under which the counters sell faster than 475 pd) - but i'm afraid it won't be possible for me at least one more year ))))

[bobbyrae]

That might be true if you serve multiple dishes. All I serve is RVC. and it's on one counter. Also, in order to sustain a 24/7 operation you need a LOT of ovens producing a 22 hour product.

Since food sells evenly off all counters, having one counter accomplishes the same thing as having eighteen (or even one hundred) counters of the same food.

Red velvet is not a high yield food so you will have to keep cooking it to be able to supply your customers' needs. As I have molten lava cake unlocked I prefer to make that instead of RVC. It is high yield and high profit.

Some players don't cook rvc and claim to earn a higher profit this way:


The highest profit with 18 ovens is Hot Apple Cider (16 hour) then Ginger Bread Cookies (6 hour) then Jasmine Tea (1 hour).

The second highest profit is Earl Grey Tea (22 hour) then Jasmine Tea (1 hour). This is a little short of the 43,000 servings a day, that's why I prefer cappuccino as a gift.

I prefer the Tea recipes because its less cooking and you don't need to switch appliances.

Other players claim that RVC isn't as profitable as some think, because making it eats into your daily cash flow.


Check out this thread for different strategies : http://forum.storm8.com/showthread.php?64688-Profits-and-Strategy&highlight=Profit+strategy

As it relates to the suggestion of the OP, I wouldn't mind having one table seat 2 people. It looks better and saves space especially in smaller bakeries. I understand that it would need a totally different game concept and design and whatever, but I still would love to have it happen.

[KimWill]

I think it's perfect the way it is. I stack all my food so I don't have a bakery full of nothing but food. When I need to make money fast I usually do red velvet cookies but don't stack those. The game tries to even out how food is bought. If I have 10 counters of red velvet cookies they usually have the same amount left on each counter as they sell.

The only change to the counter I'd like to see is being able to move food to a different counter. I redecorate often but will only put my food on the mocha counter because of matching different themes. They make us buy counters as goals so we should be able to move our food

[christaduff]

Just to give one more realistic example: Say you have 9 counters of 4 coin food (all different foods so you can't consolidate them) out in your bakery. Now you make 18 servings of RVC and put it all on ONE counter, making 10 total counters. You would now be serving RVC just 1 out of 10 times, or as little as 10% of the time. If you don't have a lot of coins, you might get into a negative cash flow situation and have to wait and earn more coins before you can afford to bake more RVC or other foods with high cooking costs.

Thanks for the information that makes since. I hate to say I have deleted food to put up more rvc and less 4 coin sales. I currently only have about 5 counters out because they take up space. After reading this I will pull the rest out of storage