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readysetgo888
11-24-14, 10:02 AM
I've been following all three of the threads on the new earth-nature animals and have seen quite a few people who are very frustrated with how breeding is going. I wanted to get all those frustrations down in one place, so I'm starting this thread.

The odds seem frankly awful on these animals. I'm up to 12 or so failed attempts, and since I don't speed breed that is almost a full week of fails. All the fun is just being sucked out of the game for me right now, and I know I'm not the only one.

Since early October, I've bred exactly 3 animals that I didn't already have. With an average of 2 breedings per day, I'm guessing that's about 84 breedings. That's like a 4% success rate. And I think it's been almost a full month since I got even one new animal from breeding. During the tournaments and world events, I was kept from getting overly frustrated because there was still something fun to do in the game, but since the end of the last tournament, my forest has been completely stagnant. No new animals are coming in, meaning I don't need to plant food or even mine and expand (I'm building new habitats but they aren't getting filled). I've been trying for all three new limited animals for a solid week and have not a single one to show for it. This game is no fun now.

I'm rapidly losing interest in continuing to play. I'm not going to drop tons of money to buy these animals that I *should* be able to breed for free. I don't expect or want breeding to be super easy, because that would be no fun either, but a 4% success rate in 6 weeks is frankly absurd.

I know I'm not the only player that feels like this. This thread is for others to voice their concerns and frustrations as well.

Tokitae
11-24-14, 12:07 PM
I bred a unicornicopia and hedgehog using rock rhino and pandaffodil. That is really the best odds wise

my607
11-24-14, 12:23 PM
I am another frustrated breeder. I have been trying for the harvest hedgehog and pumpkin panda and all I have gotten was plantlers one after another. I think that's messed up every time and it was so annoying to see that stupid timer 8:59. It's not fun playing when you get the same commons so often. It's like a harvest hedgehog is only a rare so it's that hard breeding one. There will be people who will quit in my opinion because it's not fun anymore.

Then there's players who get most of the animals that's great for them. But TL it should be fair to everyone getting all animals that's available. It's not nice for TL to lower the odds of getting rares , super rares and ultra rares.

Another thing is we get limited animals and it doent give the date of when the animals are going to expire. Then we try to breed it and we can't get that certain animal so it's frustrating .

WhiteRabbit89
11-24-14, 01:00 PM
Add me to the list of frustrated breeders.

I mean... I still don't have a unicorn despite my countless attempts but I don't mind because I like the challenge and this is why I never complained about it. It's an ultra rare creature and it's only normal for it to be hard to breed but then there are creatures (like the ocean owl and the grassquatch) that I can't breed no matter how many times I try.
The only creatures I get are commons and I was fine even with this before the harvest hedgehog. I am not asking for easy-to-breed super rares... I am only asking for a fair chance of breeding especially for limited time creatures. Since the Harvest hedgehog release I've tried non-stop to breed it only to get a herd of plantlers and only one regular hedgehog. This is not fair. I should at least breed a super once in a while.

Oh well... nothing will change but once in a while it's nice to vent and let out frustration.

xxxe
11-24-14, 03:07 PM
What I think is crazy is that I can breed 5 Grassquatchs, 3 Gargolems and 2 Ocean Owls but can't for the life of me get the Megamacore. While trying for the new earth/ rock creatures I got 7 14 hour fails. More than planter fails. Those rares and supers were easy for me to get but not the others. Confusing lol.

dumbpluff
11-24-14, 04:16 PM
it seems like tl truly does mix the odds. i can frankly understand something like giving new players higher odds for the first week or so of playing, which may be the case. it's inspiring and gets them hooked on the game. the last part might not be the best in terms of societal politeness and all that jazz, but it's certainly successful in marketing.

even so, there are no excuses for the odds to be as they are. if someone is looking for a super rare - which we'll say for the sake of argument has a 6% breeding rate - then they should have the same kind of luck breeding all animals of that percentage across the board and better luck breeding the animals below them of that chain (i.e., 50% plantlers, 15% bamboon, 10% hedgehog, 5% grassquatch, blah blah). whether or not the statistics are actually flat rates of time for animals of a specific rarity (that is, all super rares are maybe 2%) is up in the air. no one knows and no one who actually does know will ever say, naturally. who knows - maybe when you create your forest, you're given a preset bunch of odds for certain animals. this seems especially true when you look at people with multiple forests.

but there's no way to tell unless someone says and gives us the evidence.

with the new animals that've been introduced ever since the halloween event, it's an even bigger mess; animals fading in and out and people getting four or five super rares without seeing a single rare of the same variety. (which, if we stick to the percentage model i made up, should not ever add up logically-- a super rare of a specific type should always be harder to get than anything else of that combination except another same-typed super rare, right?) it's no wonder people are so frustrated! a free game should be free all the way through. and some of these super rares are insanely expensive. a 1,000 gem super rare like the gold lion is an equivalent of almost us$40.00. that's insane.

so maybe someone is rich enough to go ahead and buy them for that. okay! that's up to them what they do with their money. no one can fault anyone for that. you can't fault the company for getting money in some form, either. usually. for most people, that amount of money is important groceries or clothes or even another hobby that's a little bigger in scale. we shouldn't be subjected to a harder (or easier!) time because we don't dish out most of our paychecks. especially for people who have been trying for an animal since the beginning of the game and still haven't seen even one egg of theirs.

it's incredibly hard to just chalk that up to bad luck. we, as customers, should not feel backed into a corner by the company when we play these games. it should never be 'i have to buy it or i'm in serious trouble.' it should be something like 'this option is there if i ever want to use it.'

but i'll cut myself short on that topic and try to finish up my last big thought before i start making even less sense and running my conversation in circles, which i apologize for doing already. i do want to note that tl seems to have a habit of giving people 'lucky breaks' too. someone mentioned feeling the same thing in one of the new fall animal threads- that they seem to tweak things to give people hope. so you get situations like people popping out toucans, unicorns, and new animals within the first two or three breedings or getting the same super rare animal so many times that they're tired of seeing it while other people are sitting there for weeks with not even a glimpse of something hopeful.

(i went and found the quote and doinked it over here; it was in the pumpkin panda thread: )

[...] I also think they tend to make it easier to get certain animals at certain times, or harder. In fact that may be the only way anyone gets one.... when I got my unicorn last month I came on the forum and saw a whole bunch of people had just gotten theirs as well. I think maybe they did it on purpose and lowered the odds just for a short while.
(there were one or two more that were in other threads that mentioned similar concepts either in jest or otherwise, but this was the comment i specifically remembered.)

i personally think i was just subjected to one of those lucky breaks and i'm bracing myself for a month or two of junky fail breeding.

so since i've babbled and complained long enough... i guess the whole point i was even getting at here is that preset odds and luck suck very much and it should not even be up to that ever at any point, but yet it seems that that's exactly what's going on most of the time, and almost ALL of the time now. i'm calling bull.

readysetgo888
11-24-14, 04:54 PM
I don't know what the odds are but they are awful. I just counted up my tally since I started keeping track of breedings... 25 pairs, 3 rares (all duplicates of ones I already had), and no super rares. That's a 12% rate for RARES. 0% for super rares. 0% for animals I didn't have.

You know, for the first couple months I was playing the game I really had no complaints at all. I was getting a good mix of rares and super rares along with my commons. Then I got my unicorn and all of a sudden it just seemed to stop. Since I didn't track my breeding that far back I don't have statistical evidence, but I am completely certain that my odds of getting rares and especially super rares have now decreased.

Like you, dumbpluff, I understand why this is happening. The game seems to be difficult and frustrating on purpose to try to get me to buy and spend gems. This is totally unfair and totally sucks. I completely understand the need for TL to make money off this game but I don't appreciate the unfair tactics. Even without making the chance of success for a new animal somewhere down around like 5% chance each time you breed, people would still buy gems. There is NO NEED to make the game this frustrating in the hopes that people will be so desperate that they will spend lots of money.

It also does seem that each player is programmed to have an easier time getting some super rares than others... I was trying in almost every one of my breedings for a Gargolem or Sea Drake for a long time and still have neither. I have two Glacial Griffins however, and two more of a couple other super rares. I'm still missing almost all the electric super rares and have tried for them many times as well.

One more point... the odds on the newer (and possibly limited, though we don't actually know) rare animals definitely seem lower to me than the normal rares. That's wrong - you should have an equal chance of getting all rares of the same two elements every time you breed. But I have bred 3, 4, 5 of certain rares and never gotten the new and limited ones.

I am going to continue to track my breedings to get an even bigger sample from which to calculate odds.

Aernak
11-25-14, 12:37 PM
I bred a unicornicopia and hedgehog using rock rhino and pandaffodil. That is really the best odds wise

You got lucky. I have bred those two at least 15 times now and not a single new animal. Just endless Plantlers and bamboons. I have been breeding nature/earth for a week straight and still dont have a single new animal. Also still missing the other new ones - fallaby and toucan. Still dont have a unicorn either and still missing a ton of regular permanents. No time to even try for the permanents because I am so afraid of missing out on limited editions. And now today they released the new cold turkey. dont know when on earth i will have time to try for that.

My family has 3 accounts - mine, my daughter's and my son's. We have all been breeding non-stop all week and none of us have seen any of the new animals, except that my son just finally got a harvest hedgehog. I am so happy for him. I have pretty much lost hope that I will get any of them.

This is becoming more and more unfun every day. I never expected to have a complete collection. I was already missing skeletal dragon, nightmare, and owl bear, and I am not spending $15 for 1 pixel animal. But geez I would like to at least get lucky and get ONE of these cute new fall animals. The odds should NOT be this crappy. This is ridiculous. :(

Aernak
11-25-14, 12:40 PM
Just got another 14 hour fail. Fml. :(

Aernak
11-25-14, 12:45 PM
Like you, dumbpluff, I understand why this is happening. The game seems to be difficult and frustrating on purpose to try to get me to buy and spend gems. This is totally unfair and totally sucks. I completely understand the need for TL to make money off this game but I don't appreciate the unfair tactics. Even without making the chance of success for a new animal somewhere down around like 5% chance each time you breed, people would still buy gems. There is NO NEED to make the game this frustrating in the hopes that people will be so desperate that they will spend lots of money.

+1

I absolutely agree!

MelodicStars
11-25-14, 08:18 PM
I think I qualify more than enough to count as a frustrated breeder because of the ridiculous amounts of plantler fails I'm getting. I agree with everyone else. They seem to lower the odds for LIMITED animals just so people end up buying them.

I've had more than 50 plantlers IN A ROW until I commented a complaint on one of the earth nature threads. The next day is when I got the pumpkin panda and it's seriously making me suspect that TL really does make a "lucky break" just so people don't quit the game. I am NOT saying you should stop playing whatsoever (because that is up to you) but TL is certainly not being fair to some of us.

This game is taking a sour turn. It was good in the beginning, but that's only because most of us were beginners. I've already made a "Thank You" thread but this whole situation is making me regret for creating such a thread. The animals are ridiculously speeding up again PLUS more fails than success, making it so that most people BARELY, if not, TOTALLY miss the limited animals. *sigh* I'm so tired of all this nonsense.

readysetgo888
11-25-14, 08:47 PM
^^^^ LOL that is funny. I got a unicornicopia like 2 tries after I made this thread. The game didn't want me to keep talking about being a frustrated breeder! In all seriousness I kind of wonder what's going on with the odds here too.... I'm going to keep tracking my breedings and recalculating the odds to see how low they actually are and if they ever seem to change.

I think we can pretty safely say that we will continue to get at least 2 animals a week. If they don't remove them ever, that will rapidly become way too many and feel overwhelming. However, I would be quite curious to know what the odds are on actually getting those animals before they get removed. Like, do more people get them than not? That's tough to tell but if enough people track their breedings we might be able to tell.

I'm ok with not getting every animal but it would be quite frustrating to wind up missing most of them. And it shouldn't take dozens of tries either. There is just no fun whatsoever in a week of fails.

Phaedrakiki
11-25-14, 08:59 PM
Another frustrated breeder here. Nothing new to say really, just agreeing & saying "Me, too!" to the endless Plantlers fails (1 Bamboon & 2 Grassquatches* to break them up...) Started breeding rhino & panda non-stop since I first saw Pumpkin Panda.

*Btw, I spent months trying off & on for a Grassquatch; never could breed one. Finally got one a couple weeks ago, then bred another the next day!

Btw#2: I just hit level 40--no Crystal Unicorn yet, either. (Haven't been trying for it as much lately though, since the limited animals came on the scene!)

flowless
11-25-14, 08:59 PM
I used to spend money before in other games
Which I don't regret
Fashion story was not frustrating to me
Even those who went limited
Wouldn't affect the concept of the game
And when it wasn't expensive enough I would buy
Same for bakery story and restaurant

Dragon I did too for Halloween animals
But that was the last of it

I like to support a company I like
But I don't like feeling that I have to spend money if I want to have a collection
I like to spend on my own terms

I quit dragon when I started missing out animals

Funny thing
Some of my friends who new the game through me
Are spending money on the game regulary
And they also quit dragon when I quit

I got lucky with some earth and nature animals
Harvest and pumpkin

I don't mind the wait but to miss out would mean the end for the game to me
Supra rare in one week is just ahhhhh

Phaedrakiki
11-25-14, 09:03 PM
I don't know...do you guys think they'll keep coming out with new animals at this pace? I sometimes wonder if it's just because of the holidays. Makes for some great names (like "Cold Turkey", lol!)

readysetgo888
11-25-14, 09:13 PM
I don't know...do you guys think they'll keep coming out with new animals at this pace? I sometimes wonder if it's just because of the holidays. Makes for some great names (like "Cold Turkey", lol!)

I think they may drop back to 1 a week after the holidays... I also think we may be getting a new element at some point, maybe like a month after the holidays. Just a guess. A new element will mean tons of new animals.

Aernak
11-26-14, 05:41 AM
Good morning all. Just bred another 9 hour fail. Sigh. :(

I need a pep talk so I dont smash my phone.....

xxxe
11-26-14, 07:36 AM
I don't mind not having a complete album. That's not really why I play. I don't even mind 2 new creatures a week. The only thing I mind is making a creature that is super rare only avilable for a week. You could try over and over all week and still miss out. To me, that's where my frustration comes in. I have won every battle except the Nightmare and at least you know those limited animals CAN be won with lots of effort. But with the luck system of breeding, it may not be possible. Good luck to those still trying for any of the new creatures. I have only gotten the Unicornacopia so far but am now trying for the "cold turkey."

readysetgo888
11-26-14, 08:00 AM
I don't mind not having a complete album. That's not really why I play. I don't even mind 2 new creatures a week. The only thing I mind is making a creature that is super rare only avilable for a week. You could try over and over all week and still miss out. To me, that's where my frustration comes in. I have won every battle except the Nightmare and at least you know those limited animals CAN be won with lots of effort. But with the luck system of breeding, it may not be possible. Good luck to those still trying for any of the new creatures. I have only gotten the Unicornacopia so far but am now trying for the "cold turkey."

I agree with you about the week limited animals... that's why I'm pretty much tempted to just ignore them entirely. In a week it will be gone and I can save myself frustration and disappointment. I'd probably only try if it was an animal I thought was really adorable.

Aernak
11-26-14, 11:07 AM
Was so hopeful. Got some gems from the slots game quest. Did 3 speed breeds. Plantlers Plantlers bamboon. :( :(

Still not 1 new animal.

Sorry to keep venting but OMG THIS SUCKS!!!!!

WhiteRabbit89
11-26-14, 01:06 PM
Why do I even bother? :( This used to be a fun game but now I can't get anything but commons :mad:. At first it was plantlers now there are rainguins too. The only new creature I got was a unicornucopia... and I bought it :mad:.

Aernak
11-26-14, 02:23 PM
Why do I even bother? :( This used to be a fun game but now I can't get anything but commons :mad:. At first it was plantlers now there are rainguins too. The only new creature I got was a unicornucopia... and I bought it :mad:.

I feel your pain. :( i have no new ones yet.

auroramom
11-26-14, 05:59 PM
Ok, I'll try,lol. I have been on the verge of quitting numerous times myself. I am almost on level 40 & still no unicorn! Been playing since game 1st released in apple store. I also have never gotten the ocean owl, which I think is needed to get toucan. So I hope I can come back here in a day or two & say I have both! Lol

Buttercup0001
11-26-14, 09:58 PM
Why do I even bother? :( This used to be a fun game but now I can't get anything but commons :mad:. At first it was plantlers now there are rainguins too. The only new creature I got was a unicornucopia... and I bought it :mad:.

Exactly the same here. All these new animals and can't breed one of them and like u brought my unicornucopia from my saved up gems. So yeah add me to the list of frustrated breeders.

MelodicStars
11-26-14, 10:47 PM
Trying to get cold turkey right now and it's so... Ironic. I get an iciclaw, rockodile, and a GLACIAL GRIFFIN, but no turkey (no rainguin.. YET) whenever a new animal comes out, it takes me 20 tries (if I'm lucky) to get it. But, sadly, I expected no less from TL and how they ignore their customers' complaints. I guess being the month of Thanksgiving and all, they're not willing to listen to our ungrateful responses.

Good luck to those still breeding. Hopefully you're doing a better job on holding out the fails.

CranberrySweet
11-26-14, 10:55 PM
So. Many. Plantlers.

At first I was happy with these goals, because I thought hey, three animals for the same combination, gotta be able to get at least two of them. And I don't have a Grassquatch, never been able to get it, so if I popped one of those, great!

I've gotten ONE hedgehog, on the second day, among these endless streams of plantlers. Not a single Bamboon either, even though I'm using one to breed. It's beyond frustrating at this point. And I'm breeding at least twice a day.

Monkeh2369
11-27-14, 02:39 AM
I am in. Just plantler after plantler after plantler..... so frustrating. Got yet another 9 hour fail this morning :(

I seriously want to kill that critter over and over again!!!!

WhiteRabbit89
11-27-14, 05:18 AM
I am in. Just plantler after plantler after plantler..... so frustrating. Got yet another 9 hour fail this morning :(

I seriously want to kill that critter over and over again!!!!

As an animal rights activist I shouldn't say this but I really hope the pyro pony from the start screen burns that smirking plantler to death.

At least this breed-block happened before the Black Friday sales. I was looking forward to it but now I know this is not a game I should spend my money on.

sweetcupcake555555
11-27-14, 05:47 AM
I am in. Just plantler after plantler after plantler..... so frustrating. Got yet another 9 hour fail this morning :(

I seriously want to kill that critter over and over again!!!!

i feel your frustration!!!! so far i have bred 3 dozen plantlers at least. but today out of sheer desperation i went into a thread and got some great advice. went and tried it and it worked first try!
the combo was bamboon + sloth = harvest hedgehog.... best of luck.... ( this is afterusing the panda rhino and sloth grasswatch combos since promo started. )

i too never want to see another plantler never ever again....

charmeyone
11-27-14, 06:37 AM
Me too. So sick of this game. Got hooked on the tournaments with my 5 yr old friends son and now I'm just sick of it. And I wish I had a bamboon. Haven't had that kind of luck either. No idea why I still play this game.

Aernak
11-27-14, 07:04 AM
I decided to switch things up and try Glacial Griffon + Vinotaur. I thought this would give me a chance at any of the new earth/nat creatures, fallaby, or cold turkey, plus a chance at a crystal unicorn.

So far Ive tried this combo twice and gotten Turtisle and Skyger. UGHHH. :( i was so hoping that 6 hr breed would be fallaby (or even a solar simian) and not stupid Turtisle, but ofc it was Turtisle. :(

I guess i should just switch to water/earth and try for the turkey since he has the clock ticking.

Sigh. :(

charmeyone
11-27-14, 09:11 PM
This game is getting to be to rediculous

Monkeh2369
11-28-14, 12:50 AM
the combo was bamboon + sloth = harvest hedgehog

Just tried that and got................ another 9hr fail :mad: :mad: :mad:

I might let this one run and then try for something different to break up the monotony of this (maybe try a Cold Turkey before it expires). Have to say that this frustration just isn't making the game much fun at the moment :(

readysetgo888
11-28-14, 08:37 PM
Gah another 14 hr fail... :( I hate long fails

xxxe
11-30-14, 07:53 AM
That's all I got before was 14 hour fails lol I had so many Hedgehogs and Grassquaths. Now it's all Planters. At least I got the Cold Turkey.

readysetgo888
11-30-14, 01:47 PM
Update for me....
Through 40 tries, I got:
5 Rares
3 Super Rares
2 New Animals

Statistics:
Chance of Rare: ~12%
Chance of Super: ~7%
Combined Chance of Rare or Super: ~20%
Chance of New Animal: ~5%

So, if my 40 breeds are a good / average sample, you can expect to get 12 rare animals and 7 super rare animals for every 100 breedings.

I will be continuing to track my breedings and reporting my results. I have a list of all combos used on the experiment of breeding thread. I will try to experiment with different combos of elements and rarities to see if I can draw any conclusions there.

readysetgo888
12-09-14, 03:37 PM
I wanted to bump this thread since I guess it's the official "frustrated breeders" thread.

I'm still a frustrated breeder... I'm still tracking my breedings and will be continuing to work on the statistics. I don't necessarily think the Christmas animals will count because 1) I think they are increasing the odds of rare fails to make speeding cost more and 2) it seems really easy to get a Santa Claws once you have the Reindeer (for which I'm grateful).

But I'm actually starting to work on breeding exclusively for a Sea Drake.... There are a few super rares that I would LOVE to have that I will be sad if I never get and that's one of them.

ArcadiaTofu
12-09-14, 06:29 PM
I wanted to bump this thread since I guess it's the official "frustrated breeders" thread.

I'm still a frustrated breeder... I'm still tracking my breedings and will be continuing to work on the statistics. I don't necessarily think the Christmas animals will count because 1) I think they are increasing the odds of rare fails to make speeding cost more and 2) it seems really easy to get a Santa Claws once you have the Reindeer (for which I'm grateful).

But I'm actually starting to work on breeding exclusively for a Sea Drake.... There are a few super rares that I would LOVE to have that I will be sad if I never get and that's one of them.

Good luck on the Sea Drake 'cause you'll probably need it if you're like me and can't breed it out no matter what combo you use :\ I hope for my sanity's sake that they come out with a new animal that's a Dark-Water (since it seems like they don't have that many Dark-Water creatures in the breeding pool) b/c the chances of ppl getting a Sea Drake will go up, especially if it's a limited Dark-Water. I'm trying to breed an Emerald right now that I FINALLY have some downtime, but three days in and all I'm getting so far are 1-hr panda fails :(

Good luck on breeding your Sea Drake and I hope one day I'll be able to breed it, too!

readysetgo888
12-09-14, 06:37 PM
Good luck on the Sea Drake 'cause you'll probably need it if you're like me and can't breed it out no matter what combo you use :\ I hope for my sanity's sake that they come out with a new animal that's a Dark-Water (since it seems like they don't have that many Dark-Water creatures in the breeding pool) b/c the chances of ppl getting a Sea Drake will go up, especially if it's a limited Dark-Water. I'm trying to breed an Emerald right now that I FINALLY have some downtime, but three days in and all I'm getting so far are 1-hr panda fails :(

Good luck on breeding your Sea Drake and I hope one day I'll be able to breed it, too!

You're right! A new limited dark-water would definitely increase Sea Drake fails, though maybe only for those who already have one... tough to say. I've actually bred multiple Chameneons and even many Sea Lions but no Sea Drake.

Hope you get your Emerald soon too! I really love the Emerald but I know the chances are very low. I want to try for it too.

xxxe
12-09-14, 07:45 PM
I have also been tracking my breeding. I'm up to 100 right now and out of those 100 I have gotten 14 new animals. Not sure if that's good or not but it doesn't seem all that great. 2 of them also being the Reindeer and Santa Claws.

sanya87
12-10-14, 04:26 AM
after more then 40 breedings and trying for christmas animals, i managed to get only toy poodle and not just one but 5 of them. also 2 vinotaurs which is a super rare but seems like odds to get it now have been raised. and of course jackalopes, fallabies, solar simian and 30 ferrets. how hard can it be to get that reindeer? its only a rare animal for god's sake!

my607
12-10-14, 04:28 AM
after more then 40 breedings and trying for christmas animals, i managed to get only toy poodle and not just one but 5 of them. also 2 vinotaurs which is a super rare but seems like odds to get it now have been raised. and of course jackalopes, fallabies, solar simian and 30 ferrets. how hard can it be to get that reindeer? its only a rare animal for god's sake!

I got a reindeer egg on the nest it's my third send one poodle. I wish we can trade because the third one I'm selling.

sanya87
12-10-14, 04:33 AM
I got a reindeer egg on the nest it's my third send one poodle. I wish we can trade because the third one I'm selling.

i would like to give you one trust me! it seems like a lot of players have managed to get either reindeer or poodle and now they keep on getting the same one over and over. now i am sure they messed up with the odds again, this should not work like that usually. with so many tries is it really just bad luck? i don't think so...

RorJam
12-11-14, 01:30 PM
i would like to give you one trust me! it seems like a lot of players have managed to get either reindeer or poodle and now they keep on getting the same one over and over. now i am sure they messed up with the odds again, this should not work like that usually. with so many tries is it really just bad luck? i don't think so...

For me it started with the Sea Horse. I was fortunate enough to get the Frankenstien and Scarecrow then something happened. I bred water & nature for just shy of 2 weeks after countless aquatters millions of turtisles I was only getting ocean owls I don't need 4 owls. I speed breeded and what a waist of gems unbelievable.
Then the pumpkin panda was the same way. Bred for a weekish then speed bred a day and...three grassquatches really! seven hedgehogs! Why are there a million creatures earth and nature. the unicornacorpia is awesome the harvest hedgehog is cool but that should be it as far as new earth and nature. What would be nice is if instead of limiting new creatures limit old ones. Really who uses Bamboon in any battle ground or tourney? After you get the Ancient Sloth and any fire & earth you're golden well after you get your basic elements 10-15 lol. I started a new account on my iPhone, i transferred my old account to I pad mini while I'm waiting to get a different phone plus wanted to try the "new" account theory and all I bred was unicornacorpia and planters and stopped lol I hate that breed now so forget it lol. Trying to breed Fire and nature pff my new account doesn't even get explosives from the ferrets unbelievable. I really dislike the multiple creatures with the same breed time just don't get it. Wondering why for Christmas we have to buy the Christmas enclave when for Halloween we have an event? Just got a 7 hour timer and now I wish I would've just bred more Dark creatures on my new account and more crystal fails on my main account.

keller63
12-12-14, 07:44 PM
Definitely frustrated here. Been playing for about 1 week maybe a bit more and not tournament level And its frustrating I missed out on treebra. But I've been breeding mad to try and get the unicornucopia and nothing and yet when I visit other some even have 2 of them..... I have two harvest hedgehogs and I would have preferred not to have had the second, would have been nice for it to see I had one and reduce the likelihood of getting the 2nd one so I had a chance at one I didn't have.

I've tried mixing my creatures up, using the rarest I had to see I it helped increase the chances but seems like my efforts were wasted. Soooo many []plantlers, when I first saw it I loved it, now I want to burn them all to the ground.

Seems unlikely that I will get the pumpkin panda but for me that's not so bad, just want this unicorn so i can start trying for the Christmas creatures, not so worried on claws but I like the first two. But this damned unicorn is eluding me. Definitely starting to feel like deleting the game so I don't get so frustrated very morning and night when I sort the nest/breeding only to get that unwanted 9hour timer.

zenobia42
12-12-14, 08:06 PM
In the last 14 days, despite actually managing to breed many animals a day for more than half those day [thanks to fairy ferret fails (while trying for Christmas animals) being so short]... I have bred exactly ONE new animal. The fallably. I am 0-for-45 and counting on any of the 3 Xmas animals.

It is a wee bit frustrating. That's why I was actually GLAD for the flash tournament today, even if it's extremely time-pressured. I feel like I actually have a chance to get that animal. But, of course, it does NOT have the Christmas element in it. So even if I win the tournament, I will still have no Christmas animals.

flowless
12-13-14, 05:50 AM
I want toucan
Iam breeding before Christmas animlas were realsed
And I tried before that for a long time when fall animlas were realsed
Getting unicorn was much easier than this

sand
12-14-14, 07:29 AM
I've gone way beyond frustration. For a long time, I opted for indifference, where a full album was not even close to being a target. As long as my forests had enough supers or ultras to earn coins and win battles, I decided it didn't matter WHICH animals I bred.

But from time to time, when I've wanted a particular animal for a particular reason, frustration set in again. Vinotaur. Ocean Owl, Toucan, Scarecrow. Cold Turkey. Pumpkin Panda. Unicornicopia. Endless breeding frustration. I've only been able to try for the Christmas Presents Trio on one of my forests because the other two are both too busy cranking out Earth-Nature fails.

I feel like I'm just chasing the timers on animals that the game is retiring; can't tell when last I tried to breed a Gem, Electric or Dark hybrid. Just an endless procession of throw-aways. This is bummer breeding at its worst. Log in; throw away the stupid fail egg; plop another one on the nest; put the same lame elements back in the Garden. Earth-Nature. Nature-Fire. Bottom-shelf hybrids. Yes, I want the likes of Unicornicopia and Pumpkin Panda, but this fruitless tedium is sucking the life out of my games.

flowless
12-14-14, 02:18 PM
I've gone way beyond frustration. For a long time, I opted for indifference, where a full album was not even close to being a target. As long as my forests had enough supers or ultras to earn coins and win battles, I decided it didn't matter WHICH animals I bred.

But from time to time, when I've wanted a particular animal for a particular reason, frustration set in again. Vinotaur. Ocean Owl, Toucan, Scarecrow. Cold Turkey. Pumpkin Panda. Unicornicopia. Endless breeding frustration. I've only been able to try for the Christmas Presents Trio on one of my forests because the other two are both too busy cranking out Earth-Nature fails.

I feel like I'm just chasing the timers on animals that the game is retiring; can't tell when last I tried to breed a Gem, Electric or Dark hybrid. Just an endless procession of throw-aways. This is bummer breeding at its worst. Log in; throw away the stupid fail egg; plop another one on the nest; put the same lame elements back in the Garden. Earth-Nature. Nature-Fire. Bottom-shelf hybrids. Yes, I want the likes of Unicornicopia and Pumpkin Panda, but this fruitless tedium is sucking the life out of my games.


Exactly I wanted to try for unicorn hybrids for so long
But I can never get to that
It's always would be postponed to breed
Fall animlas - Christmas animlas what ever animal with a timer on it
Now toucan ( even that I needed to intruppte servral times )

Where is the fun I can't chose what to try for anymore
There are som many regular animlas that I don't think I would be trying for for a long time
Sea drake , onyx

I want break from limited

I know new year animlas and valantine are next

keller63
12-14-14, 03:57 PM
Ok, so I have had about 4-5 more plantlers, I finally hit 17 so do 2 rounds at Yule mule but of didn't get the whole 12 done in the 7 hour timer, I expand to lightning leopard and think, I best get ready for next tournament. So I take a break and put skyger in the nest and now have gone back to pandafodil and rock rhino, got a 15hour timer, so fingers crossed its what I've been hoping for. I see other possibilities but if I recall correct I can't breed a sloth? I sure hope not. Doubt I will get pumpkin panda but I'm not too bothered. May mean I can start on Holliday creatures

Hawksmoor
12-14-14, 04:06 PM
Ok, so I have had about 4-5 more plantlers, I finally hit 17 so do 2 rounds at Yule mule but of didn't get the whole 12 done in the 7 hour timer, I expand to lightning leopard and think, I best get ready for next tournament. So I take a break and put skyger in the nest and now have gone back to pandafodil and rock rhino, got a 15hour timer, so fingers crossed its what I've been hoping for. I see other possibilities but if I recall correct I can't breed a sloth? I sure hope not. Doubt I will get pumpkin panda but I'm not too bothered. May mean I can start on Holliday creatures

Pumpkin Panda is 16 hrs but I think you may have got the Unicornicopia which is 15 hrs and is a super, so that's good too! (unless you have it already). It's definitely not a sloth :-)

zenobia42
12-14-14, 06:35 PM
I know new year animlas and valantine are next
Oh gawd. The LAST thing I want is a Valentine's pink hearts animal. I hope that's the next thing. Because I will NOT be trying for one, and it'll give me a much-needed break to try for some of the permanent animals!!!

Petasos
12-15-14, 09:52 AM
Ok I cannot breed a unicornicopia, period. This getting stupid. I know Zenobia has it worse so I will keep my negativity down a bit. SO this is what will happen next. I am now finally at the point where I am giving up trying to have every animal. If the unicornicopia turns limited I will let it go, and the seamure too. I started plating Dragon Story so late that I will never get tons of dragons and I like that. I never buy gems in DS because it does not matter. I am now reaching that point with this game and it has been a long time coming. There is no way to keep up with all of the new animals, let alone the limited ones. So I will just start to try for the ones I want and let the rest be unobtainable. The funny thing is I am the type of player who will pay to have all of the pokemon. However I think I am done chasing geese in FFS. TL just "balanced" out a paying customer, well done!

readysetgo888
12-15-14, 10:06 AM
There is no way to keep up with all of the new animals, let alone the limited ones. So I will just start to try for the ones I want and let the rest be unobtainable.

This is exactly how I feel.

I am 100% certain that you cannot get every animal in the game without spending a lot of money. It may be that the odds are low enough that this just naturally is what happens, or it may be set up that there are some animals that a particular player is just blocked from getting. Not sure, doesn't really matter.

I've already missed out on a couple tournament prizes and a couple limited animals. Oh well. I'm trying to concentrate now on making time to breed for the ones I really like, rather than worrying about whether a particular animal is going to become limited or not. I think that's a less stressful way to play, and the game has got to stay enjoyable otherwise why bother. From now on I'm not bothering with any new animals unless I really like them. And with TL seeming determined to only give us clones of animals we already have, they're making it easier to not care.

xxxe
12-15-14, 10:23 AM
Lol I actually really hope we get a Pink animal for Valentines. Or a super glittery one for New Years. One that looks like a big disco ball? I'm cheesy like that. Oh and I'm commenting on the frustrated breeders thread because my Pumpkin Panda will be gone today and the last chance I had to breed him I got 14 hours. Bummer. I already have gotten 4 of each 14 hour animal. I really wanted the Pumpkin Panda so I could see him take his head off in battles. I thought that was just too cute. Oh well. On to trying for my Crystal Unicorn again. Or maybe the Golden Lion.

EviBrooklyn
12-15-14, 12:41 PM
Ok I cannot breed a unicornicopia, period. This getting stupid. I know Zenobia has it worse so I will keep my negativity down a bit. SO this is what will happen next. I am now finally at the point where I am giving up trying to have every animal. If the unicornicopia turns limited I will let it go, and the seamure too. I started plating Dragon Story so late that I will never get tons of dragons and I like that. I never buy gems in DS because it does not matter. I am now reaching that point with this game and it has been a long time coming. There is no way to keep up with all of the new animals, let alone the limited ones. So I will just start to try for the ones I want and let the rest be unobtainable. The funny thing is I am the type of player who will pay to have all of the pokemon. However I think I am done chasing geese in FFS. TL just "balanced" out a paying customer, well done!


Did you try unicorn and pumpkin panda or unicorn and sloth?

dragonloona
12-15-14, 01:27 PM
Ok there's just too many people to comment off of so I won't be posting up others quotes here lol. Now I can't put myself in the extremely frustrated group, but I too am having issues breeding the treasure toucan here!! I brought it when it first came out, but have yet to successfully breed one. (But if we were talking about dragon story, I'll blow the roof off with my issues lol) I think everyone is having issues breeding different creatures here, like Zenobia who can't breed the Christmas creatures, others with pumpkin panda, unicornicopia, and the Crystal unicorn!!! Which by the way I prey all get the creatures they want soon, but I do think there's a fault in luck in different players. Some people get lots of pandas, super rare creatures like vinotaur and sea drakes. Some like me seems to keep getting Crystal unicorns, which I have a total success of 6, two of which I sold due to no room. (Someone quoted the crystal unicorns love my park, which if I could I would trade to those who have yet to get one!!!) Some people can't seem to breed a Crystal unicorn, or even the rare twins of reindeer and poodle, while others have success in first try breeding or in few days!!!

Everyone can post tips on how to breed them, but the problem will always be the luck your game gives!!! It's not fair, and sadly I don't think there's a way to truly fix it, except to hope and prey one day to finally breed what you want! I also believe they make some have issues just to force them to buy gems just to get better odds through speed breeding. Not saying speed breeding doesn't work, but some people go through $20 just get a new creature. I truly hope that Everyone can successfully breed the animals they want, but sadly not everyone can get all the creatures. (I missed out on lots of dragons in dragon story) Unfortunately Luck is Not always on our side, so helping each other out through tips and advice can really help maximize your chances in getting limited creatures!!!!

So for all the hard work people put in the forums for advice on tournaments, and how to breed new limited creatures, I THANK YOU!!!! Without you all, I think lots of us would not have half the the creatures we have now!!!! Thank you all, and prey good luck to all!!!!!

shooshemc
12-15-14, 01:32 PM
I am beginning to believe that Team Lava have purposely tweaked the game so that the way to get the Santa Claws is simply to buy it. I, without exaggeration, have done 60 breedings and I have gotten 52 reindeer and 8 poodles. There is nothing random about this holiday offering. I am a level 40 player and achieving new animals is all I have left to do....I am seriously considering throwing in the towel.

xxxe
12-15-14, 01:36 PM
I bred the Santa Claws with Pony and Reindeer. I don't even have a Poodle yet. Good luck.

zenobia42
12-15-14, 03:29 PM
Everyone can post tips on how to breed them, but the problem will always be the luck your game gives!!! It's not fair, and sadly I don't think there's a way to truly fix it, except to hope and prey one day to finally breed what you want! I also believe they make some have issues just to force them to buy gems just to get better odds through speed breeding. Not saying speed breeding doesn't work, but some people go through $20 just get a new creature. I truly hope that Everyone can successfully breed the animals they want, but sadly not everyone can get all the creatures. (I missed out on lots of dragons in dragon story) Unfortunately Luck is Not always on our side, so helping each other out through tips and advice can really help maximize your chances in getting limited creatures!!!!!

The sad thing is that there ARE ways for the game to allow players who have been blocked by bad luck from getting certain creatures to get them. A few ways have been posited but the two that make the most sense to me are:

A) Let's use the unicorn as the example in this one. Let's say for example that the odds are 0.5% of getting a unicorn whenever 4 elements are in the den. They could change the odds so that, after you put 4 elements in the den 20 times, if you didn't get a unicorn yet, the odds become 1%. After another 20 fails, your odds become 1.5%. Another 20 fails, 2%. Etc. The unicorn odds would NEVER be 100%, or even close to 50%. But if after 380 fails the odds go from 0.5% to 10%, then folks who try REALLY hard but never roll a nearly-impossibly great number, can eventually get it with a very good number. This way, there is still no guarantee, and odds still DO play a huge role, but after hundreds of fails, they have a better chance of finally scoring one.

B) The other way is to make a quest to try a bunch of times to get and animal, and if, after enough tries, you did not get the animal via breeding, you get it as a quest reward. Christmas animals are the best example of this method. When something like the set Christmas animals comes out, there would be 3 separate quests accompanying them. Quest 1: breed fire & nature x times (maybe 30?) without getting a reindeer. Prize for completing the quest: a reindeer. Quest 2: breed fire & nature x times without getting a toy poodle. Prize for completing the quest: a toy poodle. Quest 3: breed a Reindeer or Toy Poodle with fire x times without getting a santa claws. Prize for completing the quest: a santa claws. Quests expire when the limited breeding period expires. This is easy as pie to set up. In the end, anyone who puts in a lot of effort, but luck is never on their side for all those tries, gets them as a quest reward.

So it's not that they can't allow us those of us having bad luck to eventually be rewarded for our efforts. It's that they won't.

zenobia42
12-15-14, 03:30 PM
I am beginning to believe that Team Lava have purposely tweaked the game so that the way to get the Santa Claws is simply to buy it. I, without exaggeration, have done 60 breedings and I have gotten 52 reindeer and 8 poodles. There is nothing random about this holiday offering. I am a level 40 player and achieving new animals is all I have left to do....I am seriously considering throwing in the towel.

It could be worse. I've done 63 fire & nature breedings and gotten ZERO reindeer and ZERO poodles. I can't even TRY for the Santa.

And I am not alone in still being completely shut out of breeding Christmas element animals. The RNG is still screwing a few others as well.

Anyway, hope you get your santa. :)

CoodieBug
12-15-14, 08:07 PM
It could be worse. I've done 63 fire & nature breedings and gotten ZERO reindeer and ZERO poodles. I can't even TRY for the Santa.

And I am not alone in still being completely shut out of breeding Christmas element animals. The RNG is still screwing a few others as well.

Anyway, hope you get your santa. :)

Fallaby& ferrets by the hundreds it seems--how do we uninstall/reinstall without loosing data? I use an Iphone if it makes a difference. Thanks for any pointers :-)

zenobia42
12-15-14, 08:16 PM
Fallaby& ferrets by the hundreds it seems--how do we uninstall/reinstall without loosing data? I use an Iphone if it makes a difference. Thanks for any pointers :-)

link to thread on re-installing a TL/S8 game. (http://forums.storm8.com/showthread.php?54910-ID-Transfer-Storm8-Method)

dragonloona
12-15-14, 08:16 PM
It could be worse. I've done 63 fire & nature breedings and gotten ZERO reindeer and ZERO poodles. I can't even TRY for the Santa.

And I am not alone in still being completely shut out of breeding Christmas element animals. The RNG is still screwing a few others as well.

Anyway, hope you get your santa. :)


If you haven't noticed, there's an update out for FFS, and it could help you finally get the Christmas creatures!!!! Update says it will fix glitches in game!!!

By the way I'm posting updated photos of my creatures in Crystal unicorn, Citrine Peregrin, and Christmas creatures forums!!!!!! Check out my photos and hope all give hope and luck to all!!!!!

zenobia42
12-15-14, 08:19 PM
If you haven't noticed, there's an update out for FFS, and it could help you finally get the Christmas creatures!!!! Update says it will fix glitches in game!!!

By the way I'm posting updated photos of my creatures in Crystal unicorn, Citrine Peregrin, and Christmas creatures forums!!!!!! Check out my photos and hope all give hope and luck to all!!!!!

Awesome, I will check out your beauties!

I was about to say I installed the update a day or two ago but there is ANOTHER! out today. I doubt it will help me finally get those Xmas buggers but I will download it anyway. :)

dragonloona
12-15-14, 08:26 PM
Fallaby& ferrets by the hundreds it seems--how do we uninstall/reinstall without loosing data? I use an Iphone if it makes a difference. Thanks for any pointers :-)


You don't loose your data if you have a storm id account! ! But if it doesnt show up, just use this option. (Very rare if your game doesnt show up, but has happened to me.) When you delete and reinstall the game and your data doesn't show up dont continue playing!(make sure you close down game, don't just get out of it. Just press your home button twice to close games) Download a storm 8 game like racing live app (it's free and I use to switch my 2 games) play it til you reach think level 3, after putting nickname, go to home on bottom screen, go to settings, click storm8 and press start/resume transfer, click new device and put in storm id!!!

dragonloona
12-15-14, 08:29 PM
Awesome, I will check out your beauties!

I was about to say I installed the update a day or two ago but there is ANOTHER! out today. I doubt it will help me finally get those Xmas buggers but I will download it anyway. :)

Don't say that, I know you will get them very soon, and will continue to send you lucky gems!!!!

keller63
12-15-14, 08:40 PM
So it's confirmed it was the unicornucopia thank the makers!!! But I have a different frustration. It's kind of related to breeding but not at the same time..

I just read on seahorse that the quest for getting it's reward was meant to be 32 days and yet, I haven't even been in game 32days.... Yet I get the quest a couple days after I he frostfang and at this time it's about 1week to do the quest when they have the thanksgiving animals out???? How stupid is that mechanism? And out a 32 day quest of when the animal was released? And not when the player unlocks the required water element to breed it? It's madness. So yes, I don't have the seahorse and I didn't complete the quest and the couple of times I tried to breed it I could have spent more on thanksgiving animals....

It's a little frustrating also with tournament animals that people new into the game don't get a chance at those creatures considering I would love the nightmare, steam trunk and treebra but having only hit 17 36ish hours ago I missed treebra completely and had 7 hours to try for the Yule mule. Why not when they come of the level give the new comers the same time scale to try and get these animals? I'm not asking for a freebee but at least a chance to battle it out for them.. :( such a sad panda

flowless
12-15-14, 11:06 PM
This my third week trying for toucan
I did get the Christmas animals as fails ( minus Santa )
But I wasn't that happy
I want to know if I actually have a chance for toucan
Cuz I tried before with fall animals were out too
I promisedy siblings a night out for dinner if I had the toucan

CoodieBug
12-16-14, 10:15 AM
You don't loose your data if you have a storm id account! ! But if it doesnt show up, just use this option. (Very rare if your game doesnt show up, but has happened to me.) When you delete and reinstall the game and your data doesn't show up dont continue playing!(make sure you close down game, don't just get out of it. Just press your home button twice to close games) Download a storm 8 game like racing live app (it's free and I use to switch my 2 games) play it til you reach think level 3, after putting nickname, go to home on bottom screen, go to settings, click storm8 and press start/resume transfer, click new device and put in storm id!!!

Thanks for the info--good luck everybody!

zenobia42
12-17-14, 08:44 AM
The odds in the game are whack. "Rare", when it comes to limited animals, seem to be more difficult to get than non-limited super rares. In fact, of the 14 animals now missing from my album, I am missing MORE "rares" than I am super rares - how nuts is that? I am missing 5 super rares and 6 "rares." Sigh. I can't complain too much. Because while I still have not bred a single Christmas or Hanukkah themed animal, I DID finally breed a gold lion, 92 days after it was released.

sand
12-17-14, 07:12 PM
The odds in the game are whack. "Rare", when it comes to limited animals, seem to be more difficult to get than non-limited super rares. In fact, of the 14 animals now missing from my album, I am missing MORE "rares" than I am super rares - how nuts is that? I am missing 5 super rares and 6 "rares." Sigh. I can't complain too much. Because while I still have not bred a single Christmas or Hanukkah themed animal, I DID finally breed a gold lion, 92 days after it was released.

Oh yeah? I finally bred my very first Vinotaur! Today! How ya like DEM apples? And the breeds that continue to elude me include other old-school creatures like Grassquatch, Ocean Owl and Sea Drake. The limited rares ARE insanely hard to breed though, so of course the Vinotaur came as a fail while trying to breed the Christmas animals. Too bad all those Pumpanda fails didn't summon the Grassquatch.

zenobia42
12-17-14, 07:42 PM
Oh yeah? I finally bred my very first Vinotaur! Today! How ya like DEM apples? And the breeds that continue to elude me include other old-school creatures like Grassquatch, Ocean Owl and Sea Drake. The limited rares ARE insanely hard to breed though, so of course the Vinotaur came as a fail while trying to breed the Christmas animals. Too bad all those Pumpanda fails didn't summon the Grassquatch.

Congrats on the vinotaur - that's great news! Are you going for the Xmas animals or for the ocean owl? I know you'd like to try for the toucan is why I ask. Whatever you are looking for - good luck! I do think that your odds of getting a super rare when trying for a limited "rare" of the same elements is much higher. But maybe it just seems that way because we tend to try soooo many times when going for a limited animal that everything is more likely when you try 20 times than when you try 10 and move on. Anyway, congrats!

readysetgo888
12-18-14, 08:46 AM
Oh yeah? I finally bred my very first Vinotaur! Today! How ya like DEM apples? And the breeds that continue to elude me include other old-school creatures like Grassquatch, Ocean Owl and Sea Drake. The limited rares ARE insanely hard to breed though, so of course the Vinotaur came as a fail while trying to breed the Christmas animals. Too bad all those Pumpanda fails didn't summon the Grassquatch.

I still need a Sea Drake too! And the Gargolem. I have bred water-earth-dark probably more than any other combination.... so many fails. I have two Glacial Griffins though.

I try not to be overly superstitious about the game but it really does feel like there are just certain animals that certain players can't get. And I definitely think the odds on new and limited "rares" are lower - and the odds on the normal rares are increased. I've been tracking my breedings and I had WAY more rare fails during the time I was trying for the Christmas animals than during the times where I wasn't trying for a specific animal. I think the only reason the new/limited animals are called "rares" is because they earn less money, not because they're actually any easier to get, which is ridiculous.

readysetgo888
12-18-14, 09:43 AM
Alright.... I've been recording my breedings for a month now. I did 87 total breeds in that time. I got 18 rare animals and 6 super rare animals (of which 2 were pretty much back-to-back duplicates). I got 5 animals I didn't have before. I am missing 10 total animals that are currently available (excluding Gem hybrids as I haven't really tried for those).

Percentages:
Rares: ~20% chance, although I know the chance was set higher for the Christmas animal fails than it normally is
Super Rares: ~7% chance, although the Santa Claws appears to have a higher rate than a normal super rare and I got 2 of them
New Animals: ~6% chance

So... I'm putting my chances of getting a new-to-me animal at 6% every time I breed. I imagine there will always be about 10 animals that I don't have at any given time (again excluding Gem hybrids). Maybe less if I get a couple of the older ones I'm missing.

It could be worse, I suppose. Still, 5 new animals a month is not exactly a great rate, and absolutely none of them was one of the ones that has been missing from my album for the longest (2 Christmas animals and 2 fall animals, plus the Sea Horse which is a relatively newer one). Granted, I didn't get the opportunity to try for the ones I've been missing the longest and I just hate electric fails, so I haven't tried to breed for the older super rares I'm missing very much. I'm trying to change that. I'd rather miss limited animals that will eventually go away than continue to be missing the same super rares I've been missing practically the whole time I've been playing. I want that Sea Drake :mad: I want a Gargolem Zapra, and Terradactyl a lot too.

Anyway, I would be curious to know if others had similar rates... I'm continuing to track my breeding and I will see if my level of success seems fairly consistent over time.

RorJam
12-18-14, 04:21 PM
So I have bred the Seamur. But after all the Sea Horse fails it was really scary. After 4 ocean owls it was nerve racking! But... A big zero on Holiday animals unless you count 1 fallaby and million fairy ferrets lol.
I'm focused on the menoram not really trying for holiday animals now. Pretty crazy visiting neighbors and seeing the sea horse eggs everywhere!! When I fail its turtisles!
On my other account "Nooby" I've bred the poodle and reindeer and all I get is...1 poodle, 3 reindeer, a blankety blank ferret!, and a vinotaur which I'm happy about but still no Santa claws!!! Unbelievable. Pretty much trying for Seamur and menoram.

arikatu
12-18-14, 05:39 PM
Anyway, I would be curious to know if others had similar rates... I'm continuing to track my breeding and I will see if my level of success seems fairly consistent over time.

If you don't mind doing the calculations, you are totally welcome to use my data in that breeding thread here (http://forums.storm8.com/showthread.php?73663-Personal-experiment-of-BREEDING&p=975862&viewfull=1#post975862). I'd scratch data from December since there was a stint where I spent 300 gems speed breeding because I just needed to get the Unicornucopia and.. there was a point where I bred Reindeer x Pyro Pony in hopes of getting a Santa Claws, ending up with a whole team of Reindeers (so that might affect the rare count, since that pairing would end up with either Reindeer or Santa Claws?). There was also a moment in November where I sped bred through a couple Planthers for something or other, but it only amounted to about 30-40 gems; OH. Er.. and a moment where I went through about 100 gems trying to get the Sea Horse. @~@;; Generally, every once in a while I'll spend a couple gems to boot something quickly through the den/nest if I know it's going to finish while I'm sleeping... I don't know if that's going to affect your calculations/the data? I can go back and mark which animals were new for me, but in retrospect, my data set isn't all that "clean" haha.

October has the purest data. I didn't start messing with gems and breeding until I lost it with seeing another Planther, and I'm sure that was in early November.

zenobia42
12-18-14, 06:59 PM
It could be worse, I suppose. Still, 5 new animals a month is not exactly a great rate.

I have only kept track of a) each animal's release date and b) the date I bred that animal. 5 a month is right about where I am at too. At least, I bred exactly 5 new animals in October, and also exactly 5 in November. December so far I only have 2 though and we are more than halfway through the month. And not the ones many play seem to be experiencing "higher" odds on, as you mention:


Percentages:
Rares: ~20% chance, although I know the chance was set higher for the Christmas animal fails than it normally is
Super Rares: ~7% chance, although the Santa Claws appears to have a higher rate than a normal super rare and I got 2 of them
New Animals: ~6% chance
Those >odds for Xmas animals does NOT apply to all players. A few of us still haven't a single one, even after 76 tries in my case.

ETA: if I do indeed have a 20% chance of getting a Christmas animal, the odds of me trying 76 times and never succeeding a single time are 0.000004%. If my odds are what you experienced in your game, my bad luck is truly remarkably bad. There would have been a 99.99996% chance I would have gotten at least one in that many tries.

readysetgo888
12-18-14, 07:37 PM
I have only kept track of a) each animal's release date and b) the date I bred that animal. 5 a month is right about where I am at too. At least, I bred exactly 5 new animals in October, and also exactly 5 in November. December so far I only have 2 though and we are more than halfway through the month. And not the ones many play seem to be experiencing "higher" odds on, as you mention:


Those >odds for Xmas animals does NOT apply to all players. A few of us still haven't a single one, even after 76 tries in my case.

ETA: if I do indeed have a 20% chance of getting a Christmas animal, the odds of me trying 76 times and never succeeding a single time are 0.000004%. If my odds are what you experienced in your game, my bad luck is truly remarkably bad. There would have been a 99.99996% chance I would have gotten at least one in that many tries.

Nah, I didn't mean the rates for the Christmas animals were better. I meant that the rare fails for the Christmas animals seemed to occur more regularly - almost double the rate that I normally find with rares, I think. I got Jackalope, Simian, Fallaby, more than once in just a few days. Seems pretty unusual. Meanwhile, I DO think the rate for the target "rare" animals was much lower.

I do think Santa Claws is more common than the normal super rare, if you get Reindeer and breed it with Pony - simply because you could only possibly get a Reindeer or Santa Claws, and many people did seem to be getting it very quickly with that combo. The rate also seems higher doing Pony X Poodle to get Santa Claws. Anything but the way TL said you had to do it... which is ridiculous too.

So... hopefully if you do get one of the two rare Christmas animals, the Santa Claws will be almost a guarantee! It seems that way, anyway.

But anyway, that's part of the problem with drawing a rare rate from all breedings. It seems that the odds on old rare animals are set higher when there is a new / limited animal with the same elements. And the odds on the new animal are likely much lower than even the normal "unbiased" rare rate - which would be the rate on a rare animal when you aren't trying for a new and limited animal. If that makes sense. At least, this is the pattern I'm seeing so far.

readysetgo888
12-18-14, 07:41 PM
Oh, I also meant to say that it's interesting that 5 new animals a month seems right on for you as well! I'd love to know if that's pretty common for everyone in the higher levels.

EviBrooklyn
12-18-14, 08:12 PM
I have only kept track of a) each animal's release date and b) the date I bred that animal. 5 a month is right about where I am at too. At least, I bred exactly 5 new animals in October, and also exactly 5 in November. December so far I only have 2 though and we are more than halfway through the month. And not the ones many play seem to be experiencing "higher" odds on, as you mention:


Those >odds for Xmas animals does NOT apply to all players. A few of us still haven't a single one, even after 76 tries in my case.

ETA: if I do indeed have a 20% chance of getting a Christmas animal, the odds of me trying 76 times and never succeeding a single time are 0.000004%. If my odds are what you experienced in your game, my bad luck is truly remarkably bad. There would have been a 99.99996% chance I would have gotten at least one in that many tries.

Wow Zenobia
That's so screwed up. I can't believe it you haven't been able to get any of the Christmas animals

zenobia42
12-18-14, 08:34 PM
Oh, I also meant to say that it's interesting that 5 new animals a month seems right on for you as well! I'd love to know if that's pretty common for everyone in the higher levels.

Yeah, I find that really curious! When you said 5 / month I thought that sounded familiar and checked my records.

BTW, I got 8 new animals in the month of September. But that was an unusual situation - they were releasing a LOT of new animals then - the electric element and lightning leopard only became available the last day of August. And fully half of those 8 new animals were commons.

I also just realized how long my no new super-rares stretch was - I did not breed a single new super rare in August OR September. Over two months. It's crazy how luck goes in streaks. I just hope my Xmas animal unlucky streak ends soon. Odds are it almost HAS to, right? Maybe that's wishful thinking. But I'm still hoping for a Christmas miracle lol.


Wow Zenobia
That's so screwed up. I can't believe it you haven't been able to get any of the Christmas animals
I can believe it. Sadly.

sand
12-19-14, 05:09 AM
Wow Zenobia
That's so screwed up. I can't believe it you haven't been able to get any of the Christmas animals



I can believe it. Sadly.

Yup. Believe it. Satyr Sanctuary hasn't been able to breed a single Christmas Present animal either. Other than that belated Vinotaur, it's been nothing but Ferrets. Looks like this forest is back in the commons-only rut. Long horrible history of that.

Forest Gump isn't much better. One reindeer; nothing more.

Vash-Naroom has one Poodle and a full team of Reindeer! LOL -- ho ho ho! We can pull Santa's sleigh if he ever shows up!

Shylore
12-19-14, 11:43 AM
They are doing the same thing with this game as with the dragons. I played it over a year and got so sick of trying to get certain animals, and would see some players with multiples of the same ones that Id spent months trying for. Same off sided percentages are being used here. I returned to this TL game hoping perhaps it would be differnt. But finding its the same thing just differnt animals. I will not invest in this game as long as I see that once again it's just a fruitless no fun game. I'll give it thru Januray to see if there is any improvement. If not, then me and my money will close the book on these sorts of TL games.

wildhearts20
12-19-14, 03:07 PM
Yep, it's easier to get fares and super rates when you start and then bam! Suddenly it's impossible, makes me sad. i really like the game but trying for months for one animal isn't very fun :(

brandonu
12-23-14, 08:32 AM
I can't even remember the last unique animal that I bred. Everything new has been from events or battlegrounds. I have been breeding fire/forest combinations non stop since the event was announced, no luck at all.

deathunbalanced
12-27-14, 07:51 AM
I am getting frustrated fast. To the point of quitting this game.

I came in before lightning, dark, the limited and tournament animals were introduced.
I was ok because most creatures I would get would be new that early.

I could deal with fail rates on animals I know I can keep trying for and eventuall get.
But some animals seem impossable to get.
I think I tried for 3-4 days solid for the Magmacore as soon as I was given the quest. I still cannot get one.

But the biggest problems for me are the low rates on the limited creatures and how often we have new animals shoved in our games.
I try continuously for a limited, fail more often than not, and then before I can even placate myself with picking back up where I left off breeding the regular animals (months ago) we get these holiday events. A ton of new animals all at the same time with all the same elements. Limited. Some with longer times but they will still be limited in the end. And we get a full event. And we get a tournament to do. And still more animals added, what feels like, constantly.
Most of which I fail to get or only get when the timer has almost finished.
I have gotten a few but I missed the Presant Phesant and my game never even showed me a timer for when it was to end!
I doubt I will get the harvest hedgehog at this rate either despite days of trying.

I have not tried for a regualr animal since before Halloween because they have too many released at the same time and I just spend all my time trying for, and most often failing, to get. If I do end up with one, it took so long that another was already released I need to try for. So I still have no time to catch up o rare, super rare and crystal animals.

At this rate the only new animals I will get will be limited and event animals and only end up with new permanent animals if I get lucky enough a botched breeding of a limited lands me a new animal.

This was a very fun game. Now it is rapidly becoming a game I am not sure I will be staying with.
And that sucks, because it looks stunning. And used to be very fun.

But now too much goes on all at the same time with little results for all the time and effort I am putting in.
And until that changes I am keeping my money to myself. I will, and have supported games I love. But this it too much.

Lipand5kids
01-02-15, 09:32 AM
after more then 40 breedings and trying for christmas animals, i managed to get only toy poodle and not just one but 5 of them. also 2 vinotaurs which is a super rare but seems like odds to get it now have been raised. and of course jackalopes, fallabies, solar simian and 30 ferrets. how hard can it be to get that reindeer? its only a rare animal for god's sake!

I understand very much. I just got my very first Raindeer last night and then many more ferries! I find it strange that I had sold at least 6 Vinotaurs and kept an extra one but can't get a Poodle which is a rare and not a a super?

auroramom
01-16-15, 04:51 PM
Ok, I'll try,lol. I have been on the verge of quitting numerous times myself. I am almost on level 40 & still no unicorn! Been playing since game 1st released in apple store. I also have never gotten the ocean owl, which I think is needed to get toucan. So I hope I can come back here in a day or two & say I have both! Lol
So I was looking back to see when I wrote on this thread. I did get owl (& seahorse) shortly after I wrote this. I was able to get toucan pretty easily & have pretty good luck with a lot of the new animals. But still no unicorn!!! Will it ever happen? I refuse to buy it as it costs too much & it's like my quest to breed it. I've been level 40 now for awhile. Now that Christmas is over I have been trying again. I wish I could get this cute critter!

shield14
01-19-15, 12:57 PM
I think I'm done with Fantasy Forest, time to quit...
I'm trying for Citrine Peregrin since introduction date of 28th November 2014 with a short 3-day break for Christmas creatures (cost me 700 gems for speeding)
Almost 2 months 2-3 times a day I'm getting Leopard.
I'm really tired of this game.

Aernak
01-19-15, 01:36 PM
I think I'm done with Fantasy Forest, time to quit...
I'm trying for Citrine Peregrin since introduction date of 28th November 2014 with a short 3-day break for Christmas creatures (cost me 700 gems for speeding)
Almost 2 months 2-3 times a day I'm getting Leopard.
I'm really tired of this game.

I feel your pain. I cannot even count the number of Toucan fails I have had. I am so depressed always looking at my empty little Toucan habitat. UGH. :(

Best of luck to you!

auroramom
01-19-15, 04:05 PM
I think I'm done with Fantasy Forest, time to quit...
I'm trying for Citrine Peregrin since introduction date of 28th November 2014 with a short 3-day break for Christmas creatures (cost me 700 gems for speeding)
Almost 2 months 2-3 times a day I'm getting Leopard.
I'm really tired of this game.
I wish I could try for the citrine peregrine or especially the dragon. It's kind of hard to do that when I still don't have the stupid unicorn. I've been trying for it since summer and my habitat has been sitting forlorn and empty all that time! I really am getting frustrated with all the duplicate fails and wasted breeding times. I've tried speed breeding and regular breeding. I've tried all the combos suggested (even though it's really just chance/luck). I've tried switching breeding pairs and using same pair for a week at a time. It really is annoying to hear that some have many unicorns when I can't get just 1. Oh well I may head out the door as well if this non luck continues.

KadeeDid
01-19-15, 05:47 PM
I finally got the unicorn. Trying for it was not working so I decided not to try and was randomly picking breeding pairs, trying for other creatures. I was shocked when I ended up with along breeding time and even more so when the unicorn popped up. I still do not have a unicorn in DS.

Goodluck to you!


I wish I could try for the citrine peregrine or especially the dragon. It's kind of hard to do that when I still don't have the stupid unicorn. I've been trying for it since summer and my habitat has been sitting forlorn and empty all that time! I really am getting frustrated with all the duplicate fails and wasted breeding times. I've tried speed breeding and regular breeding. I've tried all the combos suggested (even though it's really just chance/luck). I've tried switching breeding pairs and using same pair for a week at a time. It really is annoying to hear that some have many unicorns when I can't get just 1. Oh well I may head out the door as well if this non luck continues.

zenobia42
01-21-15, 02:21 PM
I have been putting a unicorn in the den with either a conducktor or falconch since the Chimpala expired without me managing to breed it. Even though possible outcomes include FOUR animals I am missing (citirine peregrin, sapphire cthulhu, menoram, confetti yeti), I have had NOTHING but conducktor, falconch, conducktor, falconch, conducktor, falconch... It's like that, too - almost exactly alternating which is especially annoying because when one is ready you have to hurry the other by 4 hours. I speed and try every night at bedtime, and every morning. Every 12 hours I try. Every 12 hours it's yet. another. fail.

This just isn't FUN. *Games*, by definition, are supposed to be FUN. How is checking once every 12 hours to see which fail you are stuck with this time supposed to be a FUN game?

Vodelle
01-21-15, 08:14 PM
I have been putting a unicorn in the den with either a conducktor or falconch since the Chimpala expired without me managing to breed it. Even though possible outcomes include FOUR animals I am missing (citirine peregrin, sapphire cthulhu, menoram, confetti yeti), I have had NOTHING but conducktor, falconch, conducktor, falconch, conducktor, falconch... It's like that, too - almost exactly alternating which is especially annoying because when one is ready you have to hurry the other by 4 hours. I speed and try every night at bedtime, and every morning. Every 12 hours I try. Every 12 hours it's yet. another. fail.

This just isn't FUN. *Games*, by definition, are supposed to be FUN. How is checking once every 12 hours to see which fail you are stuck with this time supposed to be a FUN game?

Hear hear! I've just went and counted and I've had 24 conducktors and 10 falconches. (I did take a break and try for the chimpala and got it, but that's about it.) Definitely a 'frustrated breeder' in regards to water/lightning.

EDIT: HOLY ****! Half an hour after I posted this, my latest falconch finished incubating, so I moved the next breeding over, threw in a unicorn + falconch and... 45h! No clue whether it's the cthulhu or the falcon (a plain unicorn isn't an option, right?) but... wow! Talk about getting lucky! O__O

Foxy_Kit
01-21-15, 09:02 PM
I've had no luck with X'mas or chimpala. Didnt have the patience to spend all week trying for it.

With regards to choosing breeding pairs, would u recommend a level 10 and above, or anything level 4 above?

My crystal unicorn is now lvl.9, not sure whether to evolve or try breeding with lvl.6 hippogryph :)

hugpete
01-22-15, 01:24 AM
Hear hear! I've just went and counted and I've had 24 conducktors and 10 falconches. (I did take a break and try for the chimpala and got it, but that's about it.) Definitely a 'frustrated breeder' in regards to water/lightning.

EDIT: HOLY ****! Half an hour after I posted this, my latest falconch finished incubating, so I moved the next breeding over, threw in a unicorn + falconch and... 45h! No clue whether it's the cthulhu or the falcon (a plain unicorn isn't an option, right?) but... wow! Talk about getting lucky! O__O

Unicorn is an available outcome.

Vodelle
01-22-15, 05:50 AM
Unicorn is an available outcome.
Oh... is it? I would assume it isn't unless you have 4 separate elements. Otherwise people breeding unicorn + fire, or nature, or water etc would not only watch out for single-element fails but unicorn 'fails' instead?


With regards to choosing breeding pairs, would u recommend a level 10 and above, or anything level 4 above?
All my breedings involve lvl 10s, but I'm not sure it matters at all.

EviBrooklyn
01-22-15, 07:22 AM
Oh... is it? I would assume it isn't unless you have 4 separate elements. Otherwise people breeding unicorn + fire, or nature, or water etc would not only watch out for single-element fails but unicorn 'fails' instead?


All my breedings involve lvl 10s, but I'm not sure it matters at all.

It can also be a citrine

shelbyforest
01-22-15, 10:18 AM
Another frustrated...very....it's a month since I manage to breed anything new...only one Xmas animal, the poodle...that was the last one, I am missing 18 animals....I have given up speed breeding, like someone else said I drop in every 12 hours to swop one fail for another. It's frustrating because this game could be soooo good, I love the details and clever designs of the animals. Which is the only reason I stick with it....sigh....

zenobia42
01-24-15, 10:00 AM
I got a confetti yeti! Very happy for that. And I have a 22:00 in the den. It is likely the third hippogryph since the menoram became available, but my fingers are crossed it is finally a menoram... especially since it has, as expected, become limited now. Of all the new animals this last month or so (other than Santa Claws), the Menoram is the one I have by far wanted the most. And considering how annoyingly long all the fails with this combo are, and how much more difficult it becomes to breed an animal after it becomes limited, I feel like it is my last real chance.

ArcadiaTofu
01-24-15, 04:54 PM
I got a confetti yeti! Very happy for that. And I have a 22:00 in the den. It is likely the third hippogryph since the menoram became available, but my fingers are crossed it is finally a menoram... especially since it has, as expected, become limited now. Of all the new animals this last month or so (other than Santa Claws), the Menoram is the one I have by far wanted the most. And considering how annoyingly long all the fails with this combo are, and how much more difficult it becomes to breed an animal after it becomes limited, I feel like it is my last real chance.

Good luck, Zen! I'm rooting for you to get that Menoram! :D

I managed to breed it out fairly early after its release, but my mom was desperate to get it before it went limited as well. Somehow I managed to breed it out for her forest a week back but I remember her frustration and desperation to get it since, like you, she loves it the most :(

Let us know if you got it, k? :)

pocopicasso
01-24-15, 07:21 PM
I've been following all three of the threads on the new earth-nature animals and have seen quite a few people who are very frustrated with how breeding is going. I wanted to get all those frustrations down in one place, so I'm starting this thread.

The odds seem frankly awful on these animals. I'm up to 12 or so failed attempts, and since I don't speed breed that is almost a full week of fails. All the fun is just being sucked out of the game for me right now, and I know I'm not the only one.

Since early October, I've bred exactly 3 animals that I didn't already have. With an average of 2 breedings per day, I'm guessing that's about 84 breedings. That's like a 4% success rate. And I think it's been almost a full month since I got even one new animal from breeding. During the tournaments and world events, I was kept from getting overly frustrated because there was still something fun to do in the game, but since the end of the last tournament, my forest has been completely stagnant. No new animals are coming in, meaning I don't need to plant food or even mine and expand (I'm building new habitats but they aren't getting filled). I've been trying for all three new limited animals for a solid week and have not a single one to show for it. This game is no fun now.

I'm rapidly losing interest in continuing to play. I'm not going to drop tons of money to buy these animals that I *should* be able to breed for free. I don't expect or want breeding to be super easy, because that would be no fun either, but a 4% success rate in 6 weeks is frankly absurd.

I know I'm not the only player that feels like this. This thread is for others to voice their concerns and frustrations as well.

:mad:YOU ARE NOT ALONE! SAME THING HERE. Have tried all combos several times!!!! It is ridiculous and frankly, I'm getting fed up with feeling like I'm being ripped off. I play DS, FS and CS.
In CS, I'm not getting jewels from jeweler (NOT FULL), fish from fish market (NOT FULL) and can't even complete a quest bc needed item is not dropping from the TWO places it's supposed to. I refuse to 'skip' or 'buy' it, so I'm on the verge of hanging it up. On DS, I've bred & evolved probably 60 dragons in the last week (using gems obviously) and have not gotten ONE SINGLE BOMB. Really????? Come on TL. Long time player, BIG spender here. I've also not received A single map after going map questing 10 times at $10,000 per quest. It has been a paltry amount of COINS instead. ?????

Please let me know if there is anything else we can do. I have sent TL emails on both issues and have gotten the "Due to holiday volume we will respond as soon as possible" response.

:mad::mad::confused: Not a happy player at the moment. Enjoyment being taken right out from all games.

sweetypies97
01-24-15, 08:16 PM
I am STILL exclusively breeding electric with water and I am STILL getting nothing but conducktors and falconches. No menoram, no confetti yeti. Frustrated is an understatement.

zenobia42
01-25-15, 11:53 AM
Good luck, Zen! I'm rooting for you to get that Menoram! :D

I managed to breed it out fairly early after its release, but my mom was desperate to get it before it went limited as well. Somehow I managed to breed it out for her forest a week back but I remember her frustration and desperation to get it since, like you, she loves it the most :(

Let us know if you got it, k? :)

It IS a Menoram! I am equal parts shocked and pleased. :eek: :D

RorJam
01-25-15, 03:46 PM
Congrats Zen!

rjazz
01-25-15, 04:06 PM
Yeah Zen!

RorJam
01-25-15, 05:13 PM
So I'm truly frustrated with fire/nature why would this combo even be thought of right after 7-8 animals of that pairing during the holiday season? Why do they have 3 animals with the same breed time? why are there more water animals? Can we get some Dark animals please? Dark animals that we can breed instead of tournament/battle ones? Or a new element would even be better. if they do more Dark please no dark/fire, Dark/earth

zenobia42
01-26-15, 07:14 AM
Thanks, RorJam & rjazz! :D


So I'm truly frustrated with fire/nature why would this combo even be thought of right after 7-8 animals of that pairing during the holiday season? Why do they have 3 animals with the same breed time? why are there more water animals? Can we get some Dark animals please? Dark animals that we can breed instead of tournament/battle ones? Or a new element would even be better. if they do more Dark please no dark/fire, Dark/earth

Most of your questions are rhetorical but the one I bolded actually has an answer that is obvious to one as cynical as myself: when two or more animals of the same element combo have the same timer on them, it is done 100% for the purpose of frustrating us. With the intent of twisting our arms into using gems to speed breed it to see if we got what we wanted or not. If all the timers were unique, as we would ALL prefer it, we would know as soon as we saw the timer what we got and therefore be less likely to spend gems on speeding it.

shelbyforest
01-26-15, 09:59 AM
Well, after five weeks of nothing, I have a new animal on my nest, a porcupine! Yay!
I am still missing 18 breedable animals although as I don't have the Memoram and it's now limited I am guessing I can wave that one goodbye ....so I assume the total is now 17.
These really are awful odds, yes I have spent money, yes I have speed bred. But not any more, the odds are just too low.

ArcadiaTofu
01-26-15, 09:17 PM
Thanks, RorJam & rjazz! :D



Most of your questions are rhetorical but the one I bolded actually has an answer that is obvious to one as cynical as myself: when two or more animals of the same element combo have the same timer on them, it is done 100% for the purpose of frustrating us. With the intent of twisting our arms into using gems to speed breed it to see if we got what we wanted or not. If all the timers were unique, as we would ALL prefer it, we would know as soon as we saw the timer what we got and therefore be less likely to spend gems on speeding it.

I completely, 100% agree with Zen on this statement, and I would like to make a small correction to her statement: It's not cynicism that prompts such statements, but realism. Being a realist, I know that if new creatures came out with unique breed times the chances of me (and everyone else in the game) speed breeding to 'see' if what I got was what I was aiming for would be nearly ZERO. Copied breed times are done for the sole reason of making the user speed the breeding up in hopes of seeing right-then-and-there if the animal was the one they were breeding for. The statistics don't lie, especially for a company as well-versed in psychology as TL is, so the obvious answer is: They do it to get us to spend more gems.

I'd be very curious, though, to see what TL's official response to that question would be, though. Very curious.

I guess what it all comes down to is what you believe, yourself. This game is free, yes, but if you want to progress in the game faster, you have to shell out the money for that. This is a business, first and foremost, and a successful business is always on the look-out for ways to make it harder for the user to advance without spending RL currency. One such way (after long breed times, long evolution times, lower odds, etc.) is to make the user more likely to speed up breedings (rinse and repeat should you not get what you were breeding exclusively for) out of excitement/frustration. Those two emotions, in the end, are what prompts users to spend gems, after all ;)

Vodelle
01-27-15, 06:27 AM
Am I the only one who feels no compulsion to speed breed (especially because of identical timers)? I mean, I can understand how that 'trick' would work, but I'd either speed breed a BUNCH of nests in a row to get what I'm looking for (at which point an extra 20 gems or whatever to check to see if I got what I wanted is just a blip on the probably 100+ I would have spent at that point) or I don't speed breed at all, in which case I'm certainly not going to drop those 20 gems when I've been patiently breeding up to that point.

readysetgo888
01-27-15, 09:02 AM
Am I the only one who feels no compulsion to speed breed (especially because of identical timers)? I mean, I can understand how that 'trick' would work, but I'd either speed breed a BUNCH of nests in a row to get what I'm looking for (at which point an extra 20 gems or whatever to check to see if I got what I wanted is just a blip on the probably 100+ I would have spent at that point) or I don't speed breed at all, in which case I'm certainly not going to drop those 20 gems when I've been patiently breeding up to that point.

I've never done any speed breeding. It just costs way too much. I think the identical timers are definitely very effective at making people speed that particular breeding, although it really feels ridiculous because the amount of gems they get from that can't be very much. I assume they get most of their money from people that regularly speed breed, regardless of the timers... not by tempting people who normally don't speed into spending 20 gems here and there to speed identical timers. But, it must work, or they wouldn't do it.

Anyway, an update for me on breeding: after over a month of awful breedings which prompted me to start this thread, I had over a month of very successful breedings with many new animals, including all the limited fall earth-nature animals, all the Christmas animals including Present Pheasant and Menoram, and the Chimpala. Now, I've gone back to constant fails with 40+ tries for the Chulthlu.

Here are my thoughts:
1) Does breeding go in cycles? Is it designed to have players be "more lucky" for a while, to encourage them to stick with the game and spend money during the "less lucky" phases?

2) At least for me, the chance of getting newer limited animals doesn't seem to have been hurt after they go limited, like it was with the Frankenswine. If anything, the odds seem to have improved, which would be fantastic. I got both Pumpkin Panda and Harvest Hedgehog almost immediately after they became limited... this after failing many, many times for them when they first came out and weren't limited. Could definitely be a coincidence, but interesting. I plan to try for the Yeti right after it goes limited just to see if it happens again.

3) I'm wondering if there may be certain animals that each player just can't get without speed breeding. It seems that only players that routinely spend a ton of money speeding have full albums.

I need to go through and calculate my odds again, and see if they've changed any. I now have 2 months of breeding data since I started keeping track.

Vodelle
01-27-15, 10:26 AM
1) Does breeding go in cycles? Is it designed to have players be "more lucky" for a while, to encourage them to stick with the game and spend money during the "less lucky" phases?
Easily explained by statistics instead of planned greedy malice. People are way more likely to notice successful breedings where they get what they want OR long streaks of being unlucky (which, well, in this game you are more likely to 'fail' breedings than not, so you will obviously have more of those anyway). You roll the dice enough times and you WILL eventually get something.


2) At least for me, the chance of getting newer limited animals doesn't seem to have been hurt after they go limited, like it was with the Frankenswine. If anything, the odds seem to have improved, which would be fantastic. I got both Pumpkin Panda and Harvest Hedgehog almost immediately after they became limited... this after failing many, many times for them when they first came out and weren't limited. Could definitely be a coincidence, but interesting. I plan to try for the Yeti right after it goes limited just to see if it happens again.
Honestly, the sample sizes for this are so small it's really not something any of us could make a call on. All the limited animals I have (the 3 xmas animals, the chimpala, two of the fall animals - admittedly I have not been around as long) I got before they went limited (or in the case of the chimpala, it was a rare I got lucky on like 5 days in, and that started off limited. other limited animals like the cold turkey, or currently the menoram/confetti yeti I have been unsuccessful breeding). That's not to say that they don't possibly tweak the breeding rates either as time goes on or when they become limited or whatever, but I've heard both "maybe they're easier when they're limited" and "regular rare/SR animals are easier to get when there's a limited in that elemental category because they make the limited harder to get!" or whatever so... really, pick & choose at that point.


3) I'm wondering if there may be certain animals that each player just can't get without speed breeding. It seems that only players that routinely spend a ton of money speeding have full albums.
Don't attribute to malice what you can, once again, attribute to statistics. Statistically, the chance of you being able to get each limited animal within the week they give you is almost impossible without speed breeding, yes. If you want a full album in a game like this, you WILL need to pay for it. That said, I highly doubt they are sitting there and programming certain accounts to make it impossible to breed certain animals (the act of speed breeding doesn't or shouldn't change your odds, and while I can think of ways they could program it in, I think it's a lot easier to have low statistical chance work its magic instead).

readysetgo888
01-27-15, 11:21 AM
Honestly, the sample sizes for this are so small it's really not something any of us could make a call on. All the limited animals I have (the 3 xmas animals, the chimpala, two of the fall animals - admittedly I have not been around as long) I got before they went limited (or in the case of the chimpala, it was a rare I got lucky on like 5 days in, and that started off limited. other limited animals like the cold turkey, or currently the menoram/confetti yeti I have been unsuccessful breeding). That's not to say that they don't possibly tweak the breeding rates either as time goes on or when they become limited or whatever, but I've heard both "maybe they're easier when they're limited" and "regular rare/SR animals are easier to get when there's a limited in that elemental category because they make the limited harder to get!" or whatever so... really, pick & choose at that point.

Yeah, I get that. I can't really draw any conclusions with only one account as a sample... I'd need many, many accounts. I just like to speculate.



Don't attribute to malice what you can, once again, attribute to statistics. Statistically, the chance of you being able to get each limited animal within the week they give you is almost impossible without speed breeding, yes. If you want a full album in a game like this, you WILL need to pay for it. That said, I highly doubt they are sitting there and programming certain accounts to make it impossible to breed certain animals (the act of speed breeding doesn't or shouldn't change your odds, and while I can think of ways they could program it in, I think it's a lot easier to have low statistical chance work its magic instead).

I actually was referring to there being certain permanent animals that you can't get without being a big spender, not the limited ones. Absolutely no doubt that you can't get all the limited animals without speeding... I've said that many times because I think it's important for players to understand that early on so they can play the game with the correct expectations. And yes low odds WILL cause that to happen without there being any need to tweak it further....

It's my inability to breed a Sea Drake that caused me to make that statement... because of the sheer number of times I've tried for it in the months I've been playing without getting one. Sure, it's possible that nothing weird is going on because the odds of breeding any super rare are quite low, but eh... I wonder.

I also forgot to mention that I wonder if the odds of getting a particular animal increase after you've gotten your first one. That would make sense as most people don't want two of an animal and therefore a second or third one etc would only mean longer fail times, which translates to more gems to speed. That could help explain why people seem to get two or three of a super rare while trying for a limited rare... whereas, if you actually NEED the super rare as well, it seems less likely to get it.

I know... I know... there's no way to draw any conclusions and literally anything that happens on any one account IS possible simply through chance.

That being said, I don't think it's a stretch to think that they mess with the odds. It makes sense for them to increase the likelihood of getting longer rare fails when a limited animal is released. Even to the point that a supposedly "rare" limited actually has the odds of a super rare, or worse. Also, that the odds of getting a particular animal might increase once you've gotten it once. I don't know that that's the case, and it certainly doesn't have to be, but given everything else we've seen, I think it's quite possible.

I do doubt that they mess with the odds on an individual basis. I can't imagine that being worth the massive amount of trouble it would be, when, as you say, simply having very low odds uniformly will do the work for them. I don't actually believe that my particular account is blocked from getting a Sea Drake unless I spend a certain amount of money on the game. ((Although, I can't say I'd necessarily bet against it, either.))

Vodelle
01-27-15, 01:14 PM
I actually was referring to there being certain permanent animals that you can't get without being a big spender, not the limited ones. Absolutely no doubt that you can't get all the limited animals without speeding... I've said that many times because I think it's important for players to understand that early on so they can play the game with the correct expectations. And yes low odds WILL cause that to happen without there being any need to tweak it further....

It's my inability to breed a Sea Drake that caused me to make that statement... because of the sheer number of times I've tried for it in the months I've been playing without getting one. Sure, it's possible that nothing weird is going on because the odds of breeding any super rare are quite low, but eh... I wonder.

I'm really sorry, and I'm going to try to say this in the nicest way possible I can over the internet, but I honestly think that sounds like grade A paranoia. I can see the arguments for making limiteds hard to get (although I still HIGHLY doubt they mess account-by-account as opposed to just messing with global rates or letting RNG do the work for them) but making certain permanent-album animals be un-breedable (unless... you... spend money? ????) is just silly and I honestly can't imagine the argument for it. I mean, maybe someone who REALLY wants to complete their album ASAP (the huge whales who will spend to get any animal regardless) will speed-breed or whatever, but I'm pretty sure 95% of people are perfectly fine waiting for non-limited animals to pop up in their forest whenever that may be.

Even then, I'm pretty sure a lot of us long-term players have either spent money on a package or gems at some point (in which case the easiest programming to do would be to flip a moneyspent variable to yes) or have at least spent gems. I can see how they'd do it but it really makes no sense.

And, well, unless you've literally done a combination that can result in that sea drake hundreds of times, I'm inclined to say it's just bad luck. I've done water/lightning over 40x now and have gotten nothing but conducktors and falconches (even though I could have possibly gotten the menoram, the confetti yeti, OR the hippogryph). Out of the last 53 breedings that I've recorded, only two have been either super rare or ultra rare (one of each). If I take that as a 3% chance at a super rare, that's not that rare but it still means you could breed water/dark 50 times in a row and have a 21% chance of not getting a super rare. (And that's if SR rates are the same across all elements and not tweaked for each SR / element combination based on what other animals are available or whatever.)

Just trying to put it in perspective. Much like I've spent all my time trying water/lightning and not getting anything, I am sure you've done some other combo and got an SR out of it in just a few times. That's just a way of demonstrating how you can have really poor luck in one scenario but good luck in another.

readysetgo888
01-27-15, 07:59 PM
I'm really sorry, and I'm going to try to say this in the nicest way possible I can over the internet, but I honestly think that sounds like grade A paranoia. I can see the arguments for making limiteds hard to get (although I still HIGHLY doubt they mess account-by-account as opposed to just messing with global rates or letting RNG do the work for them) but making certain permanent-album animals be un-breedable (unless... you... spend money? ????) is just silly and I honestly can't imagine the argument for it. I mean, maybe someone who REALLY wants to complete their album ASAP (the huge whales who will spend to get any animal regardless) will speed-breed or whatever, but I'm pretty sure 95% of people are perfectly fine waiting for non-limited animals to pop up in their forest whenever that may be.

Even then, I'm pretty sure a lot of us long-term players have either spent money on a package or gems at some point (in which case the easiest programming to do would be to flip a moneyspent variable to yes) or have at least spent gems. I can see how they'd do it but it really makes no sense.

And, well, unless you've literally done a combination that can result in that sea drake hundreds of times, I'm inclined to say it's just bad luck. I've done water/lightning over 40x now and have gotten nothing but conducktors and falconches (even though I could have possibly gotten the menoram, the confetti yeti, OR the hippogryph). Out of the last 53 breedings that I've recorded, only two have been either super rare or ultra rare (one of each). If I take that as a 3% chance at a super rare, that's not that rare but it still means you could breed water/dark 50 times in a row and have a 21% chance of not getting a super rare. (And that's if SR rates are the same across all elements and not tweaked for each SR / element combination based on what other animals are available or whatever.)

Just trying to put it in perspective. Much like I've spent all my time trying water/lightning and not getting anything, I am sure you've done some other combo and got an SR out of it in just a few times. That's just a way of demonstrating how you can have really poor luck in one scenario but good luck in another.

Well, I did say I doubt that they mess with the individual account-by-account odds. My only theory, if anything, is that they might make just one or two super rares unbreedable for a specific account when the game is created unless a specific amount is spent... not that they go in and mess with odds for individual players regularly or anything. I definitely don't believe that. And the other is just a theory, it could be and likely is totally wrong - but worth at least speculating on.

What I said I do kind of think is that they lower the odds on limited animals and increase the odds of rare animals to create longer fails when a limited or new animal is available (for everyone, not individually). It makes perfect sense for them to do that - and it wouldn't be that difficult.

Vodelle
01-27-15, 08:10 PM
Yeah, I almost kind of buy into the whole "other non-limited rares are easier to get when a limited animal is released" because I've observed that w/cold turkey (got a glacial griffin) and the chimpala (magmacore) but on the other hand I never got any SR while trying for xmas animals and I never got the hippogryph while trying for menoram/confetti yeti either, so *shrugs*

I just think out of all the tricks they can use to get people to spend, making non-limited SRs impossible to get makes zero sense. That's something 99% of people would never notice nor does it promote or incentivize spending in any way. (As I mentioned, the only people who would speed for a non-limited animal that's not an ultra rare are probably completionists who would do so anyway. A normal player wouldn't notice that kind of block on their account.) There's plenty of stuff to complain about in FFS without resorting to making up money-spending incentives that make almost no sense. As I said - how many breedings for the sea drake (and not any other elemental combo thrown in) have you done? Or is it not as many as you may think? ;)

readysetgo888
01-27-15, 08:21 PM
Yeah, I almost kind of buy into the whole "other non-limited rares are easier to get when a limited animal is released" because I've observed that w/cold turkey (got a glacial griffin) and the chimpala (magmacore) but on the other hand I never got any SR while trying for xmas animals and I never got the hippogryph while trying for menoram/confetti yeti either, so *shrugs*

I just think out of all the tricks they can use to get people to spend, making non-limited SRs impossible to get makes zero sense. That's something 99% of people would never notice nor does it promote or incentivize spending in any way. (As I mentioned, the only people who would speed for a non-limited animal that's not an ultra rare are probably completionists who would do so anyway. A normal player wouldn't notice that kind of block on their account.) There's plenty of stuff to complain about in FFS without resorting to making up money-spending incentives that make almost no sense. As I said - how many breedings for the sea drake (and not any other elemental combo thrown in) have you done? Or is it not as many as you may think? ;)

Ok fine I'll give up on my Sea Drake conspiracy theory lol. I do understand where you're coming from and it doesn't make much sense, I admit. Hopefully that means there's hope I'll get it eventually after all.

I have done a ton of breedings for it, but probably not as many as your electric-water fails, at least not since I've been keeping track. I don't know how you can stand it! I'd have given up long ago and tried for something else just for variety.

AuntyRose32
01-27-15, 08:30 PM
Am I the only one who feels no compulsion to speed breed (especially because of identical timers)? I mean, I can understand how that 'trick' would work, but I'd either speed breed a BUNCH of nests in a row to get what I'm looking for (at which point an extra 20 gems or whatever to check to see if I got what I wanted is just a blip on the probably 100+ I would have spent at that point) or I don't speed breed at all, in which case I'm certainly not going to drop those 20 gems when I've been patiently breeding up to that point.

Nope. I don't speed breed either. Never saw the point of it, I'm in no rush to have every single creature. Although I do agree it gets a little frustrating waiting it out sometimes (confetti yeti is killing me), having said that, I still just wait it out...lol. The odd time, if I'm drifting off to sleep and I want to breed two animals before bedtime, I'll speed up the last hour but that's about it and it doesn't happen too often.
I buy a lot of gems for these various TL games but I just can't reconcile myself with speed breeding.

xxxe
01-29-15, 08:10 AM
I want that Yetti so bad! But all I keep getting are 17 hour fails! 13 hours is one thing. But add on another 4 hours and it's just a nightmare. I have tried so many times and I see the 17 hour timer more than the 13. I haven't even gotten a Hippo fail which is odd. I had amazing luck with the Paradise Parot. I got him on my 2nd try. Which is honestly unheard of. But after 20 times trying for the Yetti, not counting the times I tried for Menoram, is so frustrating. I definitely am a frustrated breeder. I missed out on the Pumpkin Panda, th Scarecrow, the Chimpala and if I miss out on the Yetti I might not give the next limited time animal as much attention. There are so many other animals I'm missing and I haven't ben trying for what I really want because of this. Maybe I should go back to putting 4 elements together. Sigh. I almost can't wait for the Yetti to go limited. It might be a big relief.

readysetgo888
01-29-15, 08:27 AM
I want that Yetti so bad! But all I keep getting are 17 hour fails! 13 hours is one thing. But add on another 4 hours and it's just a nightmare. I have tried so many times and I see the 17 hour timer more than the 13. I haven't even gotten a Hippo fail which is odd. I had amazing luck with the Paradise Parot. I got him on my 2nd try. Which is honestly unheard of. But after 20 times trying for the Yetti, not counting the times I tried for Menoram, is so frustrating. I definitely am a frustrated breeder. I missed out on the Pumpkin Panda, th Scarecrow, the Chimpala and if I miss out on the Yetti I might not give the next limited time animal as much attention. There are so many other animals I'm missing and I haven't ben trying for what I really want because of this. Maybe I should go back to putting 4 elements together. Sigh. I almost can't wait for the Yetti to go limited. It might be a big relief.

I'm really sorry, that sucks. It definitely confirms what I've been thinking. I pretty much always get lots of longer rare fails when trying for a limited animal - I'm pretty sure they mess with the odds to increase the length of fails.

And yet, animals that they don't plan to make limited seem to be a lot easier to get. Like, the Seamur and the Parrot, that many people seemed to get without really trying for them. And also, both were animals that people didn't really seem to care about (maybe partly because they didn't seem likely to be limited, I don't know).

Anyway, I think it's pretty safe to say that we can't go by whether the animal is labeled rare or super rare to figure out how easy it will be to breed. Limited animals ALWAYS have way worse odds than permanent animals. It drives me crazy that the Chimpala was so difficult to get and yet it's only a rare. Meaning that even though I did get one, I can't even use it in tournaments because it's "only rare". And of course, it earns less for those who are worried about coins. Just stupid. They should at least allow all limited animals to be super rare since that's what the odds of getting them are, anyway.

zenobia42
01-29-15, 09:43 AM
I'm really sorry, that sucks. It definitely confirms what I've been thinking. I pretty much always get lots of longer rare fails when trying for a limited animal - I'm pretty sure they mess with the odds to increase the length of fails.

And yet, animals that they don't plan to make limited seem to be a lot easier to get. Like, the Seamur and the Parrot, that many people seemed to get without really trying for them. And also, both were animals that people didn't really seem to care about (maybe partly because they didn't seem likely to be limited, I don't know).

Anyway, I think it's pretty safe to say that we can't go by whether the animal is labeled rare or super rare to figure out how easy it will be to breed. Limited animals ALWAYS have way worse odds than permanent animals. It drives me crazy that the Chimpala was so difficult to get and yet it's only a rare. Meaning that even though I did get one, I can't even use it in tournaments because it's "only rare". And of course, it earns less for those who are worried about coins. Just stupid. They should at least allow all limited animals to be super rare since that's what the odds of getting them are, anyway.
I STILL don't have the Seamur! And since I got the Menoram & Confetti Yeti, I've been putting only water & nature in the den because I still need both the Seamur and Sea Horse which has been out for 3 months!

I do think that it's not that the Seamur is easier to get. It's that people don't stress about not getting it because there is no indication that they will change it from permanent to limited. I really want the Seamur and Sea Horse. I just don't expect those rugs to get pulled out from under me so I don't stress about them taking a long (and a very long) time.

That said, it is very, very, very possible that, when there is a limited animal of a certain element combo, that the odds of getting longer fails increases. They DO have to re-do the odds to fit in the option for the limited animal, and that DOES have to change the odds of at least one (and perhaps all) of the other animals of that element combo being the outcome. So, if an element combo has 1 common, 1 rare and 1 super rare, the odds could be 75:20:5 (common : rare : super rare) or something. But when you add a limited "rare" (emphasis on that being in quotes) to the mix, it becomes (common : rare : super rare : "rare" limited) 60:25:10:5. In that scenario, the odds of the common are lower, but the odds of getting a regular rare a little higher, and the super rare "fail," which presumably has the longest breed / incubation time, is actually doubled. Still low, but twice what it was when we were trying for it when no limited "rare" was a possible outcome.

Vodelle
01-29-15, 10:50 AM
Still no menoram OR confetti yeti OR even a hippogryph, and I've bred probably 45x with water/lightning. (I'll do an accurate count later on when they both expire since I've been keeping track of every single breeding.) Lame.

(Of course, I feel like I must put a disclaimer going: well, I did get an ultra-rare so I suppose the bad luck cancels out. :p) I'm just a bid sad I'll be missing the menoram since it has cool colors AND a cool design. Same with confetti yeti having really cute pastel colors. ;-;

sweetypies97
01-29-15, 09:08 PM
Still no menoram OR confetti yeti OR even a hippogryph, and I've bred probably 45x with water/lightning. (I'll do an accurate count later on when they both expire since I've been keeping track of every single breeding.) Lame.
-;
Same here! Nothing but 13 and 17 hour fails. No menoram, no yeti and not even a hippogryph. It sucks.

readysetgo888
01-30-15, 10:07 AM
They DO have to re-do the odds to fit in the option for the limited animal, and that DOES have to change the odds of at least one (and perhaps all) of the other animals of that element combo being the outcome. So, if an element combo has 1 common, 1 rare and 1 super rare, the odds could be 75:20:5 (common : rare : super rare) or something. But when you add a limited "rare" (emphasis on that being in quotes) to the mix, it becomes (common : rare : super rare : "rare" limited) 60:25:10:5. In that scenario, the odds of the common are lower, but the odds of getting a regular rare a little higher, and the super rare "fail," which presumably has the longest breed / incubation time, is actually doubled. Still low, but twice what it was when we were trying for it when no limited "rare" was a possible outcome.

That makes sense to me - I could see it being something like that.

I do think the odds of the few new rare permanent animals we've seen are better than the "rare" limited animals, but that's not to say the odds aren't still low. They're probably just closer to the normal rare permanent odds. That would make sense, anyway. I'd be willing to bet any limited animal has worse odds than all the permanent animals, except ultra rares.

MsKattR
01-30-15, 11:15 AM
I have tried to several times in a row to get snowpossum with no luck. I was attempting to breed confetti yeti for weeks straight and keep getting nothing, and finally gave up. I have also tried to breed the Sapphire Cthulhu for another week only to keep getting the darn Frostfang. I'm tired of breeding and not ending up with anything other than common animals. It's very frustrating!

keller63
01-30-15, 11:21 AM
Awwww no menoram, ah well it's only my own fault, I stopped trying when confetti yeti came out as I didn't want him, regretting it now though. But now that he is off the menu I can continue for retriever.

infinitelove19
01-30-15, 10:36 PM
Still no menoram OR confetti yeti OR even a hippogryph, and I've bred probably 45x with water/lightning. (I'll do an accurate count later on when they both expire since I've been keeping track of every single breeding.) Lame.

(Of course, I feel like I must put a disclaimer going: well, I did get an ultra-rare so I suppose the bad luck cancels out. :p) I'm just a bid sad I'll be missing the menoram since it has cool colors AND a cool design. Same with confetti yeti having really cute pastel colors. ;-;

No Menoram or Yeti or Cthulhu or Citrine Peregrine and I've almost exclusively been breeding water, electric and diamond since before Christmas!! Super frustrated. I am now breeding my third hippogryph, though, which seems to make me madder somehow - my second hippogryph since I started trying for these limited edition animals. Of course Menoram is no longer available, and I am less enthused with the Confetti Yeti, but I am continuing to try because it just seems so improbable that my bad luck streak will continue, plus this way I can try simultaneously for three different creatures that I don't have yet. That is something, at least, right? URGH!!!!

zenobia42
01-31-15, 02:03 PM
I STILL don't have the Seamur! And since I got the Menoram & Confetti Yeti, I've been putting only water & nature in the den because I still need both the Seamur and Sea Horse which has been out for 3 months!


And today I have a Seamur egg in my nest! :D

Vodelle
02-01-15, 07:41 AM
And today I have a Seamur egg in my nest! :D
Congrats! It's a rare, so I would expect it to pop up fairly often. (Kind of like how no one is impressed with falconches anymore LOL.)

Umm... well, this is kind of the wrong thread for it, but while I've certainly had no luck breeding a menoram, confetti yeti, or even a hippogryph, I have my second 45h in the nest right now from gem + water/lightning.

keller63
02-01-15, 09:38 AM
Congrats! It's a rare, so I would expect it to pop up fairly often. (Kind of like how no one is impressed with falconches anymore LOL.)

Umm... well, this is kind of the wrong thread for it, but while I've certainly had no luck breeding a menoram, confetti yeti, or even a hippogryph, I have my second 45h in the nest right now from gem + water/lightning.

well i dont think its too bad, certainly been many posts here already people frustrated with not getting a creature and then the next post or page been i got it !! so its not too bad, ive definitely been in that boat also, i tried my luck with complaining about menoram hoping it ot pop up next but nothing :P

back to try for retriever and i think i just got another fire glider in the mix -.- 13 hour timer

zenobia42
02-01-15, 10:26 AM
Congrats! It's a rare, so I would expect it to pop up fairly often. (Kind of like how no one is impressed with falconches anymore LOL.)

Umm... well, this is kind of the wrong thread for it, but while I've certainly had no luck breeding a menoram, confetti yeti, or even a hippogryph, I have my second 45h in the nest right now from gem + water/lightning.

WOW! You have incredible ultra rare breeding luck! Congrats, whichever it is! I still have neither.

keller63
02-01-15, 11:38 AM
Congrats! It's a rare, so I would expect it to pop up fairly often. (Kind of like how no one is impressed with falconches anymore LOL.)

Umm... well, this is kind of the wrong thread for it, but while I've certainly had no luck breeding a menoram, confetti yeti, or even a hippogryph, I have my second 45h in the nest right now from gem + water/lightning.

Lets just hope it's not a unicorn, I have my fingers crossed for the citrine Or cthula

zenobia42
02-01-15, 01:54 PM
It's funny how luck goes in streaks. I had a 2-week totally dry spell, then got the confetti yeti, menoram, snowpossum, seamur, and now finally a bansheep! It's been out for over 3 months and I finally have its egg - I'm pretty psyched about this lucky streak. No ultra rares (and I have had the unicorn in the den with water and/or electric a lot) but when my bansheep egg hatches, until release time tomorrow, I will be down to only 8 album holes! I assume it will be back in double digits shortly, but I honestly thought it would never be down to single digits again. I'm of the type *conpetitive type, I guess), that if I keep falling farther and farther behind a goal, I start to lose interest. Making some honest-to-goodness progress again feels great!

readysetgo888
02-01-15, 02:23 PM
It's funny how luck goes in streaks. I had a 2-week totally dry spell, then got the confetti yeti, menoram, snowpossum, seamur, and now finally a bansheep! It's been out for over 3 months and I finally have its egg - I'm pretty psyched about this lucky streak. No ultra rares (and I have had the unicorn in the den with water and/or electric a lot) but when my bansheep egg hatches, until release time tomorrow, I will be down to only 7 album holes! I assume it will be back in double digits shortly, but I honestly thought it would never be down to single digits no less only 7 again. I'm of the type *conpetitive type, I guess), that if I keep falling farther and farther behind a goal, I start to lose interest. Making some honest-to-goodness progress again feels great!

Congrats! I know it could just be coincidence but I also feel like my luck goes in cycles... Last month (well December to early January) I was getting tons of new animals, everything I tried for... it was awesome. And now for last 3 weeks, it's been totally over. Nothing new at all. Obviously it could be a coincidence, but I went through a dry streak before the lucky streak.... I just wonder. It wouldn't be totally impossible for the game to be designed to give players less luck sometimes to encourage them to spend but then also give them "lucky" streaks to maintain interest in the game and prevent quitting. Is this likely? Probably it just seems that way and it's all coincidence but who knows.

Vodelle
02-01-15, 03:22 PM
Once again, imo, literally all you say can be 'programmed' in by having statistically low rates to get anything. 95% of the time you are likely not to get anything exciting, so it's far more memorable when you do get something. Also, if you're like me and have only been breeding one specific combo for weeks on end, then the chance of getting anything new is already low without anything needing to be tweaked. (Aside from my ultra rare 'fails' I have gotten absolutely nothing but conducktors and falconches.) That's not to say there can't be patterns of RNG being good to you just as there are patterns of getting nothing, though.

For every person that might 'speed' through some boring times, there are just as many (in fact, probably more, given that players in f2p games typically err on the side of not spending) who would not be swayed or would in fact be driven to quit. So I'd be careful with blaming all your bad luck on account shenanigans.

ninasidstorm8
02-01-15, 03:35 PM
It's funny how luck goes in streaks. I had a 2-week totally dry spell, then got the confetti yeti, menoram, snowpossum, seamur, and now finally a bansheep! It's been out for over 3 months and I finally have its egg - I'm pretty psyched about this lucky streak. No ultra rares (and I have had the unicorn in the den with water and/or electric a lot) but when my bansheep egg hatches, until release time tomorrow, I will be down to only 8 album holes! I assume it will be back in double digits shortly, but I honestly thought it would never be down to single digits again. I'm of the type *conpetitive type, I guess), that if I keep falling farther and farther behind a goal, I start to lose interest. Making some honest-to-goodness progress again feels great!

Congratulations on your hot streak. I managed to get my number of album holes back down to 20. I find my luck goes in streaks as well and the really bad streaks seem to closely follow the times I am trying for a Unicorn.

zenobia42
02-01-15, 08:11 PM
Congrats! I know it could just be coincidence but I also feel like my luck goes in cycles... Last month (well December to early January) I was getting tons of new animals, everything I tried for... it was awesome. And now for last 3 weeks, it's been totally over. Nothing new at all. Obviously it could be a coincidence, but I went through a dry streak before the lucky streak.... I just wonder. It wouldn't be totally impossible for the game to be designed to give players less luck sometimes to encourage them to spend but then also give them "lucky" streaks to maintain interest in the game and prevent quitting. Is this likely? Probably it just seems that way and it's all coincidence but who knows.

I think it's just natural luck. You know the saying - "when it rains, it pours." On the flip side of that coin, when it's dry, it seems to feel like I've been in a dry spell forever.

I do keep track of when I breed new animals. And sometimes I go long periods of breeding nothing new (looking at my records, to be more precise, I have had 5 dry spells of more than a week (8 days or more), three of those 12 days or more, and the longest of which was 17 days). And sometimes I get 2-4 of them in quick succession. Or sometimes a dry spell followed by only one, then another week of nothing. It also took me from day 1 of the game in July until November 15th to get my first Grassquatch. Then the very next day got Grassquatch #2. I think it's natural for luck to be a little "streaky." IRL my luck tends to be streaky. I think it would be more weird if new breeds appeared every 4.5 days (which is my overall average) plus or minus a half-day than goings 13 days between, then 2, then 3, etc.

ArcadiaTofu
02-01-15, 09:14 PM
I also am of the belief that luck comes in streaks---I seem to get a lot of good animals all in one go (during a 3-day period of breeding it seems like I manage to get at least two animals I'm missing, though that could just be me).

Though, the past five days have been horrible since I've been trying to breed out a Paradise Parrot or a Toucan. No Paradise Parrot (at all), or a Toucan. Turtlise and Skyger fails as far as the eye can see. I very rarely will get a Ferret fail or a longer fail time than 7-hrs, but it's almost like they don't want to give Toucan breeders the option of getting a Paradise Parrot since both my mom and I have been using Ocean Owl and Vinotaur pairings for five straight days and haven't once gotten a Parrot or Toucan :(

I hate breeding for Toucan and I still can't understand how some people can breed out more than one within a week or so. How this is possible I'll never know.

sweetypies97
02-01-15, 09:26 PM
Send me some of that luck please Zen! I am really getting sick of the lack of new animals. I haven't bred a new one since my Santa Claws (and I got him really early, so it's been over a month). I am missing 22 from my album.

editing to add: I'm over 50 fails with water x electric now.

zenobia42
02-02-15, 08:12 AM
Send me some of that luck please Zen! I am really getting sick of the lack of new animals. I haven't bred a new one since my Santa Claws (and I got him really early, so it's been over a month). I am missing 22 from my album.

editing to add: I'm over 50 fails with water x electric now.

Ouch. Wishing you the best of luck. You are overdue for a new one!!

xxxe
02-02-15, 11:11 PM
Oh you have got to be kidding. After 24 fails of 17 and 13 hours I just got a 22 hour timer! I don't need a Hippogryph! I want the Yetti lol. If I hadn't wasted 50 gems speeding farms on accident I would just skip it through. My hopes for the Yetti are slowly fading away.

flowless
02-03-15, 12:37 AM
Trying for snowpisum since its released around 300 gems spent speed breeding
And still 5 hour timer all the time

Is my game programmed not to get it
Slowly losing interst in the game

I sped breed again and got 45 hour timer which i really didn't want
I already had it

So ultra rare is more common than supra rate

keller63
02-03-15, 05:21 AM
Trying for snowpisum since its released around 300 gems spent speed breeding
And still 5 hour timer all the time

Is my game programmed not to get it
Slowly losing interst in the game

I sped breed again and got 45 hour timer which i really didn't want
I already had it

So ultra rare is more common than supra rate

Perhaps you shouldn't have used anything to get the 45 hour timer then and just stuck with basic water/rock. I'm personally getting a little sick of trying for retriever ATM, fed up with long 17hour fails and getting f all for it

ninasidstorm8
02-03-15, 06:47 AM
Trying for snowpisum since its released around 300 gems spent speed breeding
And still 5 hour timer all the time

Is my game programmed not to get it
Slowly losing interst in the game

I sped breed again and got 45 hour timer which i really didn't want
I already had it

So ultra rare is more common than supra rate

I can assure you that an ultra rare is not more common than an Super rare. Been playing since July and trying for an ultra rare about 25% of the time. None have come to my forest yet. Trying for Confetti Yeti (about 75% of the time with 4 elements) without success in 58 tries since it came out. I would love to get a 45 hour fail.

keller63
02-03-15, 07:02 AM
Think I've only had 4 elements in the pen maybe 3 times hehe :p nothing but that's to be expected, it's been hard starting this game after Halloween, all I've had ever since I started this game is limited creatures and timers and tournaments what not. Not had much time working on normal creatures -.- I wish they would just take a break from all this junk. Might get a break after Easter but I recon they will bring something stupid out for 4th July just to annoy everyone. I can already see a redwhiteblue eagle/bear/bulldog and that leads us up to the events later in the year.

zenobia42
02-03-15, 03:09 PM
So, I am going to try, and almost surely fail, to get the new limited animal - the Palmeranian. I am also going to assume it is a 1-week limited, like the Chimpala and Scare Crow. AFAIK, the only animals to ever be limited from the start and have longer than a week are the Xmas element animals. Am I remembering right? Other than the Scare Crow, Xmas element animals and Chimpala, have any other animals been limited from the get-go? And have any of them been available for more than a week?

I am asking because I have NEVER managed to breed a 1-week limited animal. Despite trying VERY hard for, and spending gems on a bit of speed breeding for, both the Scare Crow and Chimpala. Frankly, I am amazed at how many people have had any success at ALL on 1-week limiteds.

readysetgo888
02-03-15, 03:20 PM
So, I am going to try, and almost surely fail, to get the new limited animal - the Palmeranian. I am also going to assume it is a 1-week limited, like the Chimpala and Scare Crow. AFAIK, the only animals to ever be limited from the start and have longer than a week are the Xmas element animals. Am I remembering right? Other than the Scare Crow, Xmas element animals and Chimpala, have any other animals been limited from the get-go? And have any of them been available for more than a week?

I am asking because I have NEVER managed to breed a 1-week limited animal. Despite trying VERY hard for, and spending gems on a bit of speed breeding for, both the Scare Crow and Chimpala. Frankly, I am amazed at how many people have had any success at ALL on 1-week limiteds.

There was Cold Turkey also! Scarecrow, Cold Turkey, Present Pheasant, Chimpala... limited to one week from the start. And I do believe the Xmas element animals were the only ones limited from the start that had longer than a week.

I wish that they would make it clear how long we have on the Palmeranian. I do hope it's longer than a week especially because the fails are so much longer. Would it kill them to tell us? :( So frustrating and ridiculous. My luck is absolutely abysmal right now... I do need a Porkupine, so getting one would be the only bright spot of a week of 16 hour fails. But if I did get a Porkupine, I think I'd stop trying for the new one. I really dislike the frustration of breeding for it and failing to get it before it goes away.

zenobia42
02-03-15, 03:22 PM
There was Cold Turkey also! Scarecrow, Cold Turkey, Present Pheasant, Chimpala... limited to one week from the start. And I do believe the Xmas element animals were the only ones limited from the start that had longer than a week.

I wish that they would make it clear how long we have on the Palmeranian. I do hope it's longer than a week especially because the fails are so much longer. Would it kill them to tell us? :( So frustrating and ridiculous. My luck is absolutely abysmal right now... I do need a Porkupine, so getting one would be the only bright spot of a week of 16 hour fails. But if I did get a Porkupine, I think I'd stop trying for the new one. I really dislike the frustration of breeding for it and failing to get it before it goes away.

Oh, yeah! So I have gotten one of the 4 one-week limiteds.

Vodelle
02-03-15, 03:39 PM
Well, the quest is only a week long so I can't imagine the palmeranian limited being longer than a week, unless it's one of those where it becomes limited after the quest goes away.

I've only ever succeeded in one week-long limited and that was the chimpala (which is a rare, and had smaller fails).

xxxe
02-06-15, 10:36 AM
This game is really starting to frustrate me. I can't get the last limited animal, I can't get another certain animal I have tried countless times for that will most likely be taken away in the next week or two. Now a new Valentines creature that will surely be limited. How are you supposed to try for 2-3 animals at once. Let alone the other regular animals your still missing. Either keep releasing anims that will stay forever or stop releasing them for at least a week and let people catch up. At least with DS there are so many dragons to try for that you don't even need to worry about it. This game keeps releasing animals and most of them get taken away. No new elements. No new creatures unless you were lucky enough to start expanding on the right island before they were released.

flowless
02-06-15, 08:57 PM
I can assure you that an ultra rare is not more common than an Super rare. Been playing since July and trying for an ultra rare about 25% of the time. None have come to my forest yet. Trying for Confetti Yeti (about 75% of the time with 4 elements) without success in 58 tries since it came out. I would love to get a 45 hour fail.

I know its not suppose to be
But i was talking how i was getting everything including ulta rare except for the limited animal

DarRorJam
02-09-15, 08:52 AM
this is not good. for me the smitten kitten just isn't showing up. worse then the Xmas animals! this was a fairly new account at Xmas time that's the only reason I bred the reindeer and poodle but couldn't breed Santa paws. probably going to be worse because this account isn't "new" anymore. I'll probably only be able to breed the kitten or the dove not both and this time there won't be a possible breed combo with something else like Paws was breedable with pyro and one of the others. and now I've missed out on the palmeranian with all these 12hr plus fails!

Vodelle
02-09-15, 08:57 AM
this is not good. for me the smitten kitten just isn't showing up. worse then the Xmas animals! this was a fairly new account at Xmas time that's the only reason I bred the reindeer and poodle but couldn't breed Santa paws. probably going to be worse because this account isn't "new" anymore. I'll probably only be able to breed the kitten or the dove not both and this time there won't be a possible breed combo with something else like Paws was breedable with pyro and one of the others. and now I've missed out on the palmeranian with all these 12hr plus fails!
I'm sure you'll get it - just keep trying! There are quite a few older players here who have gotten it (even without speeding) so it's just down to luck. :)

sweetcupcake555555
02-09-15, 02:49 PM
this is not good. for me the smitten kitten just isn't showing up. worse then the Xmas animals! this was a fairly new account at Xmas time that's the only reason I bred the reindeer and poodle but couldn't breed Santa paws. probably going to be worse because this account isn't "new" anymore. I'll probably only be able to breed the kitten or the dove not both and this time there won't be a possible breed combo with something else like Paws was breedable with pyro and one of the others. and now I've missed out on the palmeranian with all these 12hr plus fails!

It's so frustrating, I understand totally. I just had my last try at palmeranium and got a 21 hour fail. Have tried a half dozen times for kitten on my daughters account with no luck. Here's hoping we both get it! Best of luck :)

DarRorJam
02-13-15, 04:51 AM
thanks everyone for the support but I've made a choice...I've sold my "love" habitat and I'm no longer going to breed armidillos any longer! going to try for the parrot and other album things honestly id rather have unicorn fails then kitten/dove fails at this point I feel I'm closer to a gem then a love creature!

Ellerslie6
02-13-15, 04:23 PM
Frustrated is understating it
I have been trying for three weeks to get a treasure toucan using ocean owl and vinotaur - both level 14 (that's on top of the month or so it took me to get the ocean owl)
I was unable to breed a single Xmas creature - so, no treasure, no Xmas - cuts out a lot of the suggested winning opponents in members' tournament lists
I too have never been able to breed the Unicorn - had to resort to using gems
Other than that, I have a reasonable spread of animals
The other frustrating element in this game is the mining
I can't get enough runes to build the habitats I need - I reckon I've had to sell over 30 animals because of lack of room
I absolutely hate the mining - wish there was an alternative method of getting new habitat
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sweetcupcake555555
02-13-15, 10:32 PM
using 2 accounts i thought i would at least have some chance with the limiteds but every single time i get the commons. at the moment the fails are 12 hours each so they are long and boring. also have only been getting one bomb per 12 hours so am getting ripped off there too! feeling ready to quit this game that i once loved and looked forward to playing. not even bothering with tournament. shame how hard its got to play a game that should be fun and stress free.

flowless
02-13-15, 11:08 PM
This is one month trying for anything limited and getting nothing
I speed breed too sometimes
Still nothing

Ohh
Maybe j should quit the game
Not as fun
With all those non stop limited and odds being redicoulsly low

Sefyre
02-14-15, 05:23 AM
According to my games (FFS and DS, older player/started games fairly early-ish but went on hiatus), Ultra Rares can be more common than Super Rares and even Rares and I think at least some of this boils down to RNG.

In DS, I was able to breed 3 Diamonds and not a single Rare or Super Rare Event Dragon in the span of about 3 months of trying between October to December. The Diamonds were the result of me desperately tossing all colors together in hopes of ANY new Rare or Super Rare Dragon in the last month of trying for Limiteds with zero success (and using the targeted colors only; four colors were used only after 2 months had passed without success using targeted colors).

I leveled to fifteen in FFS and in my frustration to breed a Limited (there's a pattern here!) or just something ANYTHING new for my park to finish some goals, I tossed together four colors and after popping out a few Commons (Ferrets and Armordillos as always), I suddenly got a Crystal Unicorn.

It's DS all over again for me (if I kept every Common I bred, I would have a park full of Armordillos, Ferrets, Rainguins, and Turtisles and little else) which makes me think that to some degree, individual RNG plays a role in all of this.

I quit FFS some months ago because of this breeding problem - Commons everywhere, a few Rares, and LOTS of duplicate Rares and little variety regardless of pairings - and when I came back to try the Valentine event, I got results similar to the results I got in DS - one random 44 hour Ultra Rare during an Event that clogged my game for four days.

ninasidstorm8
02-14-15, 07:34 AM
In case anyone missed it, the Confetti Yeti is officially a limited animal now. The popup I received this morning says that you have a little more than 3 days before it goes away. The Confetti Yeti thread is now in the Creature Library SubForum so I am posting a message here as well.

Good Luck to anyone still trying for it. I have failed 38 times so far.

Lin21dsey
02-18-15, 04:21 AM
Hi All!
New player here. I am up to my ears in pandas, fairy ferrets, and pyro ponies. What do you do with all the "extra" animals. Just sell them? Do you keep more than one of each animal?

zenobia42
02-18-15, 08:30 AM
Hi All!
New player here. I am up to my ears in pandas, fairy ferrets, and pyro ponies. What do you do with all the "extra" animals. Just sell them? Do you keep more than one of each animal?

If there is room in my park, I keep the duplicate animals. Or at least the ones I like. When I was a new player, I always kept the duplicates that were the best money-earners. Because until you start earning a million coins or so per day, you will find yourself waiting on coins to be be able to do things.

If I don't have spare room, I look at my park and decide if I want the new animal to replace an old one or just sell it right off the nest.

Good luck breeding!

sweetypies97
02-18-15, 11:32 PM
Well after the confetti yeti (which I will NOT buy if he arrives in a 'value' pack) I'm pretty sure I won't be getting a pony.

flowless
02-19-15, 01:10 PM
Trying to pressure us to buy the animal straight from the market or by value pack with this endless time limted animlas released at once
Had the opposite effect on me
I offically lost intrest in the game
As soon as i relize full album never gonna happen without having to spend for almost all the animals now
Thats when i couldnt care anymore

It was fun while it lasted
Its a grt game and give me such joy seeing littel pixels amd new eggs

zenobia42
02-19-15, 01:32 PM
Trying to pressure us to buy the animal straight from the market or by value pack with this endless time limted animlas released at once
Had the opposite effect on me
I offically lost intrest in the game
As soon as i relize full album never gonna happen without having to spend for almost all the animals now
Thats when i couldnt care anymore

It was fun while it lasted
Its a grt game and give me such joy seeing littel pixels amd new eggs

:( We will miss you, flowless.

cquinn32
02-19-15, 01:52 PM
Trying to pressure us to buy the animal straight from the market or by value pack with this endless time limted animlas released at once
Had the opposite effect on me
I offically lost intrest in the game
As soon as i relize full album never gonna happen without having to spend for almost all the animals now
Thats when i couldnt care anymore

It was fun while it lasted
Its a grt game and give me such joy seeing littel pixels amd new eggs

Totally agree!!
I've just become frustrated with this game in general. With all the limited animals and the lack of creativity within the game there is little to keep me coming back every day. I keep hoping that something will make this game differ from dragon story but other than the wingless animals it's just a straight carbon copy (disappointing). I mean can we get a second nest already or maybe a new element or maybe something dragon story doesn't already have. How bout some fancy decorations (not that there's anywhere to put them) or just stop by the forum once in a while to answer some questions, something other than just trying to blanantly suck money out of us. Speaking of money, how bout having a sale once in a while to show a little appreciation. It's because of your lack of sales that I have limited my spending on this game which will make it much easier to walk away.

Sorry done complaining
Step your game up TL!!!

zenobia42
02-19-15, 02:52 PM
Totally agree!!
I've just become frustrated with this game in general. With all the limited animals and the lack of creativity within the game there is little to keep me coming back every day. I keep hoping that something will make this game differ from dragon story but other than the wingless animals it's just a straight carbon copy (disappointing). I mean can we get a second nest already or maybe a new element or maybe something dragon story doesn't already have. How bout some fancy decorations (not that there's anywhere to put them) or just stop by the forum once in a while to answer some questions, something other than just trying to blatantly suck money out of us. Speaking of money, how bout having a sale once in a while to show a little appreciation. It's because of your lack of sales that I have limited my spending on this game which will make it much easier to walk away.

Sorry done complaining
Step your game up TL!!!

I think a lot of us have been hoping for a while for new breedable, permanent animals and expansions. Well, we got the expansions, finally. And we keep getting new elements. The problem is there has been no new permanent breedable element since electric. You know when that was released? August 28, 2014.

That was 175 days ago.

Half. A. Year. Ago.

Since then, there have technically been 4 new elements. The problem is, half of those are not breedable (treasure, living wood) and the other half are even worse - they are friggen LIMITED. And because they are limited, they are not FUN to try to breed. Rather, there is PRESSURE to breed before it goes away.

In the 175 days since the last new permanent breedable element, there have been, by my count, 19 limited animals to breed. The first limited animal came out on 10/17 which is 125 days ago. That means they have released an average of slightly more than 1 new LIMITED animal per week in that time via breeding. There have been an additional 21 animals released in that time that could only be won in the arena, battlegrounds or an event. If you count all types of limited animals, it averages one every 3.1 days.

In the last 125 days, there have also been 15 permanent new animals released. However, fully 1/3 of those new permanent animals have been ultra rares. Meaning the vast majority of us can only manage to breed them during the brief periods they allow an easy breed before shutting that door. And the over-saturation of limited animals means no one has any time to even try for ultras any more anyway.

In summary, it has been 175 days since a new permanent breedable element.
125 days ago they started down the path to ruining the game by introducing the first limited animal.
In the last 125 days, they averaged 1 new limited animal (via any method) every 3.1 days.
In those same 125 days, they have only released 1 new permanent non-ultra animals every 12.5 days on average.
That means they release limited animals exactly 4 times as often as non-ultra permanent animals. But again, who has any time to breed for a permanent animal when there is a new limited animal to be bred more than one per week?

As to staff stopping by the forum to answer questions, it's not that they don't read the forum. When someone posted that their relative bred a thanksgibbon which was not supposed to be breedable, they proved that they are not only always watching, but able to take corrective action within 20 minutes. If it's corrective action from THEIR perspective not ours. If we complain we are not getting the bombs we should be from breeding, and show screenshots as proof, they lock the topic and refuse to acknowledge it's a problem even days later as people continue to be robbed of bombs.

EviBrooklyn
02-19-15, 03:21 PM
Trying to pressure us to buy the animal straight from the market or by value pack with this endless time limted animlas released at once
Had the opposite effect on me
I offically lost intrest in the game
As soon as i relize full album never gonna happen without having to spend for almost all the animals now
Thats when i couldnt care anymore

It was fun while it lasted
Its a grt game and give me such joy seeing littel pixels amd new eggs

Oh flow Noooo I'll miss you
Just like you and cquin im losing interest also for the same reasons.
After zen's analysis, one can clearly see that TLs focus is just making money in short term and obviously were all getting tired with the lack of balance in this game.

Vodelle
02-19-15, 03:51 PM
I totally agree with you guys, especially cquinn's & zen's posts here.

I'm back in this thread. I patiently bred water/lightning for over a month (50 tries, literally) in order to try to get a menoram/yeti and was unsuccessful. Now I'm facing an even smaller time constraint by attempting to breed the valentines animals. Out of 20 fire/earth breedings, only ONE has resulted in a v-day animal. I have given in and bought the love dove (with saved up gems) and hope I will see better luck with the matripony.

But it is certainly frustrating, and I'm growing kind of... bored? I mean, I knew what I was getting into with this game, but it's growing less and less fun to even try for limited animals when they release multiple at a time. Mardi Claw is cool, for instance, but how could I possibly try for that if I'm trying for valentines day animals? Even if it disappears in a month like the yeti did, there will undoubtedly be other limiteds released to try for as well. And the chance of getting any of them is so low... yeah, not fun.

Interestingly enough, I only ever spent money on two value packs, and both were from when I was a newbie. One was a $5 value pack (they offer cheaper ones to newbies, and then expect these same newbies to pay more when they grow up - doesn't work that way, TL! I've abstained from all the dumb "value" packs I've seen since then!) and one was the $20 crystal unicorn (which is a legitimate deal, imo, unlike everything else they try to shove at us). The gem (and habitat) sale in November was the first and last time I even saw a sale.

I have 0 inclination to spend more money on this game. I wish TL would realize that people ARE willing to spend - I am! - but they have to give a little. They could be squeezing my wallet, but they'll have to treat me like an actual person first.

readysetgo888
02-19-15, 05:13 PM
Oh no, all of you can't quit and leave me here with newbies lol !! :( I'd have to quit too.

Seriously, the main reason I'm sad when there is a new limited animal is because I know it frustrates so many others here... I don't like them, but they don't bother me all that much. I would love to see more permanent animals, but as for the one week limiteds.... as far as I'm concerned, they're a good opportunity to breed for one of the permanent animals I'm missing. Because I'm not into trying for a whole week and failing to get the animal. I hate that. So instead of getting upset about it, I just don't bother getting invested in that particular animal. Like the Palmeranian... such a cutie but as soon as I knew it was limited I just didn't bother.

As for the one month or so limited animals... I do sort of feel like that's a fair amount of time, although I think there should be a max of 2-3 limited animals out at a time, and they shouldn't all start and end at the same time. But I do get removing some animals from the game... it would be crazy to have 100's of permanent animals - that would feel overwhelming even to me and I've been playing since the game came out. I can understand why TL isn't in a rush to overwhelm new players who would come into the game seeing 100's of animals and want to quit.

That being said, I do wish they would NOT release two animals a week. I get not adding permanent animals constantly, but it would be nice for there to be once in a while where we just get one new animal a week, so that it would be easier to keep up with. But limited animals really don't bother me that much. I absolutely don't have the patience to sit through dozens in a row of the same fail.... I change it up, try sometimes for a limited animal and sometimes for a permanent animal, and if I get it, I get it, and if not, oh well. I don't usually put all that many attempts in at any particular limited animal, so I don't feel like I've wasted a super long time if I don't get it. There have only been a couple limited animals that I would have been genuinely sad not to get (the Smitten Kitten was definitely one) but most are kind of like eh... it's a cutie but it's not worth getting upset over missing. Right from the start I know the odds are low on a limited animal. That's why I personally would rather only breed a few times for it, while making sure to continue to try for the permanent animals I'm missing. I totally get that others feel differently, but this is my philosophy and it really helps keep the game playable for me so that I don't want to quit in frustration after 50+ of the same fail.

I hope this all makes sense lol. I feel like I'm the only one that feels this way. I mean, there are PLENTY of things that bother me about the game, and I sometimes feel like most others aren't bothered by them at all. I am extremely bothered by "new" animals that are straight up recolors of existing animals. It's just sheer laziness on TL's part. It's even more baffling to me that people are super upset by missing those... I mean really, it's not even unique! Clone releases, like one week limited releases, are a good excuse for me to try for permanent animals. (Actually, I do think I would definitely be a lot more bothered by missing limited animals if every one was super unique and cool. But since most just aren't, that's definitely a huge part of why missing them doesn't matter much to me. And I know there are a few others here that are bothered by the clones, but most people just seem to get super excited about them... I don't get that.)

As you all have pointed out, I am super bothered by the lack of sales in the game and the lack of customer service from TL. SUPER bothered by both of those things... I would definitely be happy to spend a lot more money (well, like ANY money for starters lol) on this game if 1) TL was RESPONSIVE to players in this forum and 2) they HAD SALES. Why are those two things so hard for them? As it is, I'm left with the bitter taste in my mouth that they don't care about this game at all. They keep releasing blatant recolors as "new" and don't listen to players complaints about legitimate issues, or take ANY of their suggestions about cool new animals. It just smacks of, as Evi said, TL trying to make money in the short term, off new players who haven't gotten fed up yet. Definitely leaves me with a sour taste.

Anyway don't all of you quit!!! LOL. I don't want to be the only veteran poster with a bunch of "how do I breed a fairy ferret????" newbies lol.

FridayFarms
02-19-15, 05:17 PM
I'm barely playing anymore. Once the limiteds came out so rapidly and I couldn't breed one after another (no pumpkin panda, menoram, yeti, love dove, etc, as well as no toucan or retriever or citrine, or......) i gave up. A million common fails, when you can only do maybe 2 per day, changed the game from fun to boring.

I still check in daily to give gems to a few people, sell whatever is on the nest, and throw in a new pair so I can fail again. Rumblebee was the first tournament I didn't finish, and I still don't have Blizard. Like others, I used to buy gems. Not anymore.

Vodelle
02-19-15, 05:38 PM
ready - you're definitely not the only one who feels that way, but in my case:
- I really liked the menoram and the yeti (yes, the menoram is another plantlers, but it has unique antlers and colors, and there are not THAT many deer out there, and the yeti is like a grassquatch - but I don't have one of those, AND it's adorably pastel and has a great epic form). I didn't get either.
- I really like the kitten and the matripony! Pink/pastel colors are right up my alley, which is why I bothered spending gems on the love dove at all - so I can try for the pony.
The fact that I haven't gotten either (despite devoting all my breedings in that direction) is part of what gives me a sour taste (the other being the lack of sales or any indication that we are anything but a big wallet to TL. yet they refuse to actually have deals that a larger part of their players would actually buy into). Yes, I can deal with not having limiteds - after all, I joined in mid-November, having missed a bunch as it is. Is it too bad I missed the palmeranian, the menoram, and the yeti, and most likely the mardi claw? Sure, but not a deal-breaker. But the constant stream of limiteds, lack of reasonable sales/packs etc is definitely going to drive people away from this game. I knew when I joined that I'd be in for a super greedy moneyhungry company, but that doesn't make putting up with it any funner.

And I think more permanent animals would be a good thing. Yes, newbies might feel overwhelmed, but honestly, they should already - there are dozens of limited animals out there they will never get unless they buy a value pack. Having more possible 'fails' when breeding for limiteds wouldn't be unwelcome, imo. In fact, I'd love if there were even 2-3 commons per hybrid or whatever. At least it would make me hate fairy ferrets, plantlers, conducktors, and armordillos less. :p

zenobia42
02-19-15, 06:20 PM
I have 0 inclination to spend more money on this game. I wish TL would realize that people ARE willing to spend - I am! - but they have to give a little. They could be squeezing my wallet, but they'll have to treat me like an actual person first.

And THAT is probably the most frustrating thing of all about the direction this game is going. I, too, am willing to spend money on this game. I, too, have spent money on it in the past. But I, too, am not willing to spend any these days, as the the game just gets more and more blatantly greedy. Their strategies are SO short-sighted it's ridiculous. For every new customer they reel into the money-spending fold, for one purchase, they lose 2 who were willing to keep spending money on the game in perpetuity. It boggles the mind how little they care what the game's PLAYERS want. I miss the good old days when games were designed for the purpose of entertaining the players. This game is making me seriously consider giving up all FTP games. The business model for them is broken from the consumer perspective. It does not result in games that are fun beyond the early stages. I am seriously considering a personal ban on FTP games. Only downloading games that I have to pay for. ONCE. That do not have in-app purchases. I may waste a few dollars on games that I don't play for more than a few days. But I'd rather waste a few on that than on in-app purchases whose benefit is so transitory that 3.1 days later there is yet another thing I must spend money on to not fall further and further behind on the game.

And rsg888, the lazy clones bother me too. The clones and the hideous coloring of the warm-colored epic forms. But on the other hand, there is a lot of detail in these animals. Almost every day I notice something new that is in some way endearing about the game. The unique way each animal type reacts to feeding (how can you not love watching a baby grassquatch so eager to eat he leans in to the food and falls flat on his face? I mean - adorable). The porkupine turning into an X-ray in battle. Etc. Today's find - the (adult) Treent - each step he takes, flowers sprout out of the ground under his feet where they touch the habitat ground. That's kinda awesome.

But not awesome enough to get me spending again. Not unless they limit the number of breedable limiteds to 1 or 2 at a time. And don't make animals that have no reason whatsoever to be limited limited. The ones that are seasonal, yeah, I get them being limited. I don't get there being so MANY for every single season / holiday / etc. But I get the pumpkin panda no longer breing breedable after Thanksgiving for example. But the chimpala? WHY WHY WHY did that have to be only 1 week? There is absolutely no good reason for the chimpala or the palmeranian to leave the market, especially not after only one week. It's just greedy, greedy, greedy to do that to us.

EviBrooklyn
02-19-15, 06:43 PM
Don't you guys get it... They give us one week limited animals so those who spend can buy or speed breed for that limited one.
The none paying players are the least of TL's worries... They don't care...
The point is they are losing their paying customers and that's why I'm saying, they sure don't have a long term plan for this game.
From a business point of view, their sale strategies suck !!

Vodelle
02-19-15, 06:59 PM
Don't you guys get it... They give us one week limited animals so those who spend can buy or speed breed for that limited one.
The none paying players are the least of TL's worries... They don't care...
The point is they are losing their paying customers and that's why I'm saying, they sure don't have a long term plan for this game.
From a business point of view, their sale strategies suck !!
Haha yep, I don't think any of us disagree there. The reason I've pointed out I've bought value packs in the past is that I'm not averse to spending... it's just they haven't given me incentive to. The crystal unicorn and the $5 packs are good value and would drive me to spend. But how many value packs have I passed up now? Probably at least 5. No sales, constant limited animals designed to draw money out of whales, etc does not give me good reason to spend on this game.

Totally agree that they're hurting potential long-term for short-term gains. We've already seen some of the top spenders on this forum either slow down their spending or even quit the game. More limiteds might encourage people to spend more... but at some point, it'll be too much to handle and too obvious of a scheme. And newbies might buy a few value packs/get sucked in, but once they see this pattern as well, I can't see it going any better.

I know that for businesses like this, hitting the whales hard may be the most obvious thing to do, but I honestly do think they're underestimating how much money they could get from more casual players who would be willing to throw $5-10 here and there but aren't given the opportunity to!

cquinn32
02-19-15, 08:50 PM
Had such high hopes when this game hit the market after playing dragon story for so long and was looking for a little change I guess but it just hasn't delivered for me at all. Everyone here makes excellent points (as always) but it's their game and it is what is I guess and its hard to admit you just have to "go with the flow" because of this forum and all the wonderful people on it, I fell like we are all part of this game and should have some say in it. I guess TL just doesn't see it that way.

I'm done trying to keep up for sure, and probably will start selling all of my commons and some habitats. making room for decorations and decorating like I've always wanted to.

flowless
02-19-15, 09:41 PM
:( We will miss you, flowless.


Oh flow Noooo I'll miss you
Just like you and cquin im losing interest also for the same reasons.
After zen's analysis, one can clearly see that TLs focus is just making money in short term and obviously were all getting tired with the lack of balance in this game.

Oh thanks guys ur so grt
This forum some how is more intersting than teh game for me now

I did lose intrest
Didnt quit all together
But gonna treat this game like dragon
Log in once a day
Put two animals in the breeading den
In dragon i only try of gem animlas
i dont even know care to see whats limited there

Sad part i was seriously considering dropping some money on the game
To buy grand habits
unlike many i want to spend to decerote
Not to buy animlas
I mean where is the fun if the only way to get the animal is to buy it


I think the best game was for me is fashion
I can chose which decriotion to buy each week with no pressure
And they were very unique
I use to buy for the best designs

But this game turn to be a constant frustration
That i came to think i have enough if that at work

I know eventually gonna stop and delete all if nothing become intersting enough
I stay still cuz i want to see what new element for tree of life

wildcat326
02-20-15, 12:09 AM
I'm having loads of problems trying to get Ruby Razerback, since I do not have a steam trunk!!! Will you be bring him back anytime soon four a few days? I sure would love to have one ;) Thanks again

Lisa ;)

Monkeh2369
02-20-15, 04:30 AM
As some of you will know (and may well remember) I publically quit the game after the Psyena flash tournament. I have got stuck on far too many Arena tournaments for it to be a coincidence and I felt I was being forced to buy gems to get through the tournaments.

Anyway, a day or so later after I had calmed down I reinstalled the game! Part of the reason was the Valentines event was going and I wanted to collect the animals and also help the community to get them as well. My attitude then was to play until the end of the event and then stop playing if I still felt fed up with it. However, things had started to look up. I managed to breed a couple of really rare animals I was missing (Confetti Yeti and Citrine Peregrin being 2 of them) and I also managed to get through the Rumblebee tournament with no real issues. I even finished it in time to get the gems! But, I had also started to try and breed the Valentines animals and was starting to get really frustrated at the constant 12hr fails (with a few 17hrs in there) I was getting. I have lost count of the number of fails I have had and still haven't got a single Valentines animal. I decided to change tactics and went for the Mardi Claw. Saw on here that a few people had instant success with the Unicorn/Zapra combo and did that. Tried it twice and got 17hr fails. Tried again last night with a Lightning Leopard and Skyger (which was another suggested combo) - another 17hr fail. I have no isses with not getting a new breed 1st time every time as that would make the game dull on a different level. I would however have expected to have at least got a Smitten Kitten by now. Now I am back to being really frustrated and have resigned myself to the fact that I aren't going to get any of these and if I want them I will have to buy any Value Pack. I refuse to buy these. I have purchased one but that was only because it was the Steamtrunk and it was quite inexpensive if I remember correctly. For me the game isn't fun but stressful and frustrating. I don't play games to get stressed out and frustrated. I play games because I want to unwind from the stresses of work and life and take a bit of time out.

A few of you have mentioned sales strategies. For me I just think all the animals are WAY to expensive. Take the Sapphire Cthulu for example. I don't have one and if I want to buy one it would cost 2500 gems. In GBP that works out at about 69 GBP!! Seriously? You expect me to pay 69 GBP for an animal that does exactly nothing apart from gain coins in the game and you can use a few times in a tournament. Big deal!! For 69 GBP I can buy loads of things that will give me far more fun and enjoyment. If the animal was, say, 5 GBP I would have purchased it by now. That goes for every animal in all honesty. If they were a few GBP instead of the ridiculous amounts they charge I would have spent a hell of a lot more money on this game than I have done so far. The thing is that even if they wanted to, which I am pretty sure they wouldn't even entertain, they can't really change the gem prices of animals as it isn't fair on players who have spent lots of money on animals. Don't get me wrong I know they are a business and have to make money but like others have said they are just coming across as really greedy. It isn't just FFS either, most of the other games have silly priced items in them as well.

I really want to enjoy and embrace this game but with all the frustrations etc. it isn't worth it. I will carry on trying for the SK/LD/MP/MC until the goal timers run out and then see how I feel then if I still haven't managed to get any of them. If I still feel the same I think I will probably delete the game and have done with TL once and for all. I may leave it on and just login once or twice a day but who knows? I still haven't re-installed all the other games I deleted a couple of weeks ago and I am not going to either. FFS is last chance saloon for TL with me now.

EviBrooklyn
02-20-15, 06:21 AM
Had such high hopes when this game hit the market after playing dragon story for so long and was looking for a little change I guess but it just hasn't delivered for me at all. Everyone here makes excellent points (as always) but it's their game and it is what is I guess and its hard to admit you just have to "go with the flow" because of this forum and all the wonderful people on it, I fell like we are all part of this game and should have some say in it. I guess TL just doesn't see it that way.

I'm done trying to keep up for sure, and probably will start selling all of my commons and some habitats. making room for decorations and decorating like I've always wanted to.

I think they were " going with the flow" with monster story also... And they shut it down
You think they'll learn from their own past mistakes, but theyre probably blaming it on design... Though I doubt it that's what it was.
The designs are good in this game but they'll lose bc of other management issues

readysetgo888
02-20-15, 07:45 AM
ready - you're definitely not the only one who feels that way, but in my case:
- I really liked the menoram and the yeti (yes, the menoram is another plantlers, but it has unique antlers and colors, and there are not THAT many deer out there, and the yeti is like a grassquatch - but I don't have one of those, AND it's adorably pastel and has a great epic form). I didn't get either.

Yeah, it's awful that you didn't at least get one of the two! I actually liked the Menoram and didn't really consider it a clone because of its unique/creative elements. The Yeti was a straight up clone - a more attractive version than the original, for sure, but I already had a Grassquatch. It was one to pass by IMO. Though at least it had the same elements as the Menoram. If they're going to do multiple limited animals at a time, they at least need to have overlapping elements.



And I think more permanent animals would be a good thing. Yes, newbies might feel overwhelmed, but honestly, they should already - there are dozens of limited animals out there they will never get unless they buy a value pack. Having more possible 'fails' when breeding for limiteds wouldn't be unwelcome, imo. In fact, I'd love if there were even 2-3 commons per hybrid or whatever. At least it would make me hate fairy ferrets, plantlers, conducktors, and armordillos less. :p

I agree with this - I hadn't thought of it this way. It sure would be nice to at least see 2 permanent rares for each element pair. I didn't count but it's probably at like half with two permanent rares, half with one. They should definitely focus on getting out permanent rares for those pairs that only have one. But it's more profitable to do limited super rares!!!!

readysetgo888
02-20-15, 08:08 AM
And THAT is probably the most frustrating thing of all about the direction this game is going. I, too, am willing to spend money on this game. I, too, have spent money on it in the past. But I, too, am not willing to spend any these days, as the the game just gets more and more blatantly greedy. Their strategies are SO short-sighted it's ridiculous. For every new customer they reel into the money-spending fold, for one purchase, they lose 2 who were willing to keep spending money on the game in perpetuity. It boggles the mind how little they care what the game's PLAYERS want. I miss the good old days when games were designed for the purpose of entertaining the players. This game is making me seriously consider giving up all FTP games. The business model for them is broken from the consumer perspective. It does not result in games that are fun beyond the early stages. I am seriously considering a personal ban on FTP games. Only downloading games that I have to pay for. ONCE. That do not have in-app purchases. I may waste a few dollars on games that I don't play for more than a few days. But I'd rather waste a few on that than on in-app purchases whose benefit is so transitory that 3.1 days later there is yet another thing I must spend money on to not fall further and further behind on the game.

This is exactly, EXACTLY my own thoughts. I've already determined that I will never again start another FTP game like this. I'm just shaking my head at how quickly so many people got suckered into this, to the point that games like you're talking about, that cost a few dollars up front and don't charge you after that, are very rare now. Heaven forbid someone should spend $5 on game when they could download a free one!! Never mind that the free one could easily wind up suckering them into spending hundreds of dollars. And I suppose that's ok, as long as you feel like you're getting your money's worth, but that would mean playing a game from a company that actually treats its customers well, listens to their opinions, and most important DOES NOT have shady, deceptive practices like gem traps. This game is a great example of all the worst things a FTP game could possibly be. And it's definitely made me convinced that I will never start another one.


And rsg888, the lazy clones bother me too. The clones and the hideous coloring of the warm-colored epic forms. But on the other hand, there is a lot of detail in these animals. Almost every day I notice something new that is in some way endearing about the game. The unique way each animal type reacts to feeding (how can you not love watching a baby grassquatch so eager to eat he leans in to the food and falls flat on his face? I mean - [i]adorable[/i). The prokupine turning into an X-ray in battle. Etc. Today's find - the (adult) Treent - each step he takes, flowers sprout out of the ground under his feet where they touch the habitat ground. That's kinda awesome.

I do like the unique animations that the animals have. I don't understand why they put more effort into the animations than into the actual designs. It just makes me even more convinced that they COULD spend more time on the designs than they choose to. Every time a new clone is released, especially a new clone that could have been so much better, it makes me sad inside. Like the Magmacore world event prize. There are so many Valentine's themed animals that they could have done instead - a few posters made awesome suggestions. It's such a shame that we got that awful, lazy design instead. The new Chinese new year Rampage clone makes me feel the same way. They could have made such a cute goat. There was no reason it needed to be a slightly different colored Rampage. Talk about a waste.

I mean WHAT IS WRONG WITH TL? I would be willing to spend much more money on this game if they had sales, had unique designs, and played fair with us without the deceptive practices, unfair tournaments, and gem traps. They don't care. They don't care that I want to give them money and they have created a game which NEVER tempts me to spend... the exact opposite of what they want to do! It is a terrible business strategy. It's like all they want to do is bilk money out of new players, and those few players that will apparently spend a ton of money on any lazy thing they release - and don't care that the rest of us would be happy to spend money too if they just made a few changes.

If anyone from TL is reading this, PLEASE consider everything we are saying here and WORK ON THESE PROBLEMS. I really want to keep playing this game. I really like it.
To summarize:
1) STOP with the lazy clones. Make each animal unique in some way.
2) Have GEM SALES. Get rid of gem traps.
3) Release permanent animals more frequently and limited animals less frequently. If you can't come up with a unique design for an animal, don't release any animal at all.
4) Make flash tournaments fair to all players, and make the odds on tournaments more about the correct fighter being chosen, and less about totally random luck.

If those things were done, I would be happy to spend money and really enjoy playing, instead of constantly having a bad taste in my mouth and getting disgusted by a company that doesn't seem to care at all about its players.

readysetgo888
02-20-15, 11:08 AM
I just wanted to add to my previous posts... if the ONLY change TL makes is to give us gem sales, I still wouldn't buy them. Not until some of the other issues are cleared up as well. Really, they need to get rid of the gem traps, but I don't see that EVER happening.

auroramom
02-22-15, 02:17 PM
I am in complete agreement with previous posts that games should not cause frustrations! People play games to relax and have fun after dealing with real life frustrations. This game has gotten way to impossible to play! OF COURSE TEAM LAVA DOES NOT CARE!!!!! I have lost the last 2 tournaments even using gems to speed play and playing constantly during the time frame. I am not a newby and have good animals to use but on some levels it took many and I mean many retries to beat. I got really frustrated trying to get the palmeranian and smitten kitten in the same week and I got neither! I really wanted the palmeranian too but they only offered him for a week. I finally got the kitten but now have been trying for the dove for over a week with no success. How the heck is there any chance for me to get the horse??? I have speed bred and let the animals run normally. I have tried lots of combinations. If I don't get the dove soon then I will not have time to evolve it and try for the horse. FRUSTRATION!!!! BUT AGAIN TEAM LAVA DOES NOT CARE!!!! I think if there are enough fails then you should be able to breed it. I have refused and will continue to refuse to spend real money on this game. Why? Because there is never a guarantee that you will eventually get the animal you are trying to get. I also refuse to purchase the so called value pack. I don't need extra food or tokens which leaves the specific animal for a ridiculously high real money cost. This is coming from a person who has played rs, bs and fs for over 2 years and has spent lots of money on those games. Why, because there is guarantee of purchase which is not the case here. Well I vented and will probably leave this game in the near future because it is losing interest for me because of all the fails. (And the time length of fails in a limited time event is appalling) Another lost player oh well maybe one day team lava will become more customer friendly. (Hahahaha right)

zenzen2
02-25-15, 01:06 PM
I am not having any luck breeding the matripony, I have tried every thing I can possibly think of (visiting neighbors prior to breeding, feeding before breeding, etc) does anyone have any suggestions? I have had a hundreds of 12 hour fails, many which I have sped up just to get another 12 hour fail. so frustrated:(

ArcadiaTofu
02-25-15, 04:44 PM
I am not having any luck breeding the matripony, I have tried every thing I can possibly think of (visiting neighbors prior to breeding, feeding before breeding, etc) does anyone have any suggestions? I have had a hundreds of 12 hour fails, many which I have sped up just to get another 12 hour fail. so frustrated:(
About the only thing you can do is hope you win the Pony lottery and land on a 'time' that allows you to acquire it. It's random, and the drop rates are horrendous so the chances of getting the pony are about the same as getting a unicorn, I suspect :(

Good luck and hope you manage to get this lovely hybrid!!

zenobia42
02-27-15, 05:11 PM
I remember fondly the time when there were usually zero, at most one limited animal at a time to breed.

Currently there are:
smitten kitten
love dove
matripony
mardi claw
snowpossum
pygmy giraffe*


ALL of these are only available for a week or LESS.

Screw this.

* The pygmy giraffe is not actually showing at limited. They are once again pretending it is a permanent animal before pulling the rug out from under us. But it has a goal with a 1-week timer. I've never known a 1-week goal to not indicate the animal is breedable for only 1 week.

shelbyforest
03-03-15, 03:36 AM
My guess is as long as there are few prepared to spend serious money, why would TL change what they are doing. Every time a new animal is released you only have to read the new animal thread to see that there are always those who are prepared to pay for something they want, limiting the availability just guarantees that these folk will continue to put there hands in their pockets, which after all this is what TL wants. In this respect they now have created a perfect money making machine!
Which leaves the rest of us, as the title of this thread accurately says, as very frustrated breeders......
Have I spent money? Yes, I had a fixed amount when I started and I flatly refuse to spend any more. I love this game, I love it's design and I love the animals. However it is becoming increasingly impossible to play, unless you are prepared to spend some serious cash.
To put into perspective the amounts of cash I mean...the 'mountain of gems' is the equivalent of my weekly food shop for my household....that is a LOT of money to spend on computer game.....

Monkeh2369
03-03-15, 06:09 AM
Currently there are:
smitten kitten
love dove
matripony
mardi claw
snowpossum
pygmy giraffe*


ALL of these are only available for a week or LESS.



Well I managed to get a Smitten Kitten and a Love Dove but it took me so long that I knew I was up against it in getting a Matripony and I didn't get it :( Looks like I won't get a Mardi Claw either as with 19hrs left I have just put on YET ANOTHER fricking 17hr Zapra fail :mad: I might speed that up later and have one more go. If it is that I get a 23hr timer I will have to speed that up and keep my fingers crossed it isn't another Zapra. I haven't even tried for a Snowpossum or Pygmy Giraffe as I haven't had time due to all the other animals we have had thrown at us this last couple of months or so.

Monkeh2369
03-04-15, 01:22 AM
Decided to speed it up and got..................an 18hr fail this time so probably another Bansheep. Absolutely soul destroying :( Seriously, what is the point of this game because I am fast running out of reasons to play it :( :( :(

keller63
03-04-15, 01:31 AM
Decided to speed it up and got..................an 18hr fail this time so probably another Bansheep. Absolutely soul destroying :( Seriously, what is the point of this game because I am fast running out of reasons to play it :( :( :(

Goal gone but bear still in market, you still have time :). Oh and I think you meant koala with those 17 hour timers not zapra. Zapra is super rare 23hour timer :)

Monkeh2369
03-04-15, 03:41 AM
Goal gone but bear still in market, you still have time :). Oh and I think you meant koala with those 17 hour timers not zapra. Zapra is super rare 23hour timer :)

D'oh!! Yes I meant Koala. I just don't know if I can be bothered to keep getting 17/18hr fails any more. I must have had around 30 tries over the last few weeks at getting Smitten Kitten/Love Dove/Matripony/Mardi Claw and got 1 SK and 2 LD's. I know I am not alone in that either. No matter what anyone says those odds are shocking. I have probably got more chance of winning the Euromillions lottery on Friday than getting a Mardi Claw :( :(

Animenia
03-06-15, 12:42 AM
I'm also frustrated breeder

I've just noticed, that my algorithm of breeding in this game is:

5 -6 commons
1 rare o super rare
and again 5-6 commons

But since 2 weeks I've only the same rares :(

I wasn't able to breed Shimpala, Snowpossum, Christmas (except Poodle), Yeti an now - Pygmy

I'm happy because I've got Matrpony and Mardi, but now my breeding became BORING i FRUSTRATING

xxxe
03-08-15, 08:10 AM
I couldn't breed the Matripony. I can't get the giraffe. It's been 35 times since I bred anything new. At this point im just throwing stuff together. Why does this game hate me?! Lol

patriziaf
03-08-15, 08:19 AM
Decided to speed it up and got..................an 18hr fail this time so probably another Bansheep. Absolutely soul destroying :( Seriously, what is the point of this game because I am fast running out of reasons
to play it :( :( :(
Well I never could breed a Zapra or Bansheep, but I obtained a Mardi claw

Animenia
03-09-15, 02:44 AM
I'm level 40 and still I don't have Crystal Unicorn. Now I'm trying to breed Golden Retriever... I'm not going to support TL again untill I get one of them :p

chippychan
03-09-15, 10:11 AM
It's been 35 times since I bred anything new. At this point im just throwing stuff together. Why does this game hate me?! Lol

Lol, I'm pretty much where you are... just throwing 4 different elements together and seeing what happens. Crossing my fingers for a Crystal Unicorn, but not holding my breath.

So far I've gotten a couple new animals, but what really drives me crazy is when I get a 12 hour armordillo. I got SOOOOO many trying for the valentine animals that I never want to see that thing again. :rolleyes:

Vodelle
03-09-15, 11:20 AM
Lol, I'm pretty much where you are... just throwing 4 different elements together and seeing what happens. Crossing my fingers for a Crystal Unicorn, but not holding my breath.

So far I've gotten a couple new animals, but what really drives me crazy is when I get a 12 hour armordillo. I got SOOOOO many trying for the valentine animals that I never want to see that thing again. :rolleyes:
Give it a few weeks/another month-long breed-fest for a limited animal and you'll forget about the armordillo. I would rather see a fairy ferret (the dreaded fail from the xmas animals) than an armordillo. Jury is still out on the 35 or so conducktors I've picked up and the constant recent koala cadabras I've been breeding. :p

Good luck on the unicorn, by the way, and anyone else who is trying to breed one!

xxxe
03-10-15, 07:30 AM
Seriously I'm up to 38 fails since I've recieved a new animal. And I'm missing plenty. I'm just taking animals out of storage now so I at least see some new animals in my Forest lol. I have 8 animals in storage and I think it's time I take a break from failing at breeding to get them out. This has been a really bad month long curse for me. Hopefully my luck comes back before the Easter animals come out. Because you know they will have a world event and probably 3 Easter element types just like they did for Vday and Christmas. Please TL make some more pink animals so I don't have to keep crying over the Matripony.

Monkeh2369
03-10-15, 09:31 AM
Seriously I'm up to 38 fails since I've recieved a new animal.

Way more than that for me. I must be up to 40 fails already just trying to get the Obsidian Cyclops and I lost count of the number of fails before that trying to get the Matripony, Mardi Claw and Pygmy Giraffe. The game just isn't fun at all for me at the minute and is nothing but one big frustration:( :( :(

readysetgo888
03-10-15, 09:42 AM
Seriously I'm up to 38 fails since I've recieved a new animal. And I'm missing plenty. I'm just taking animals out of storage now so I at least see some new animals in my Forest lol. I have 8 animals in storage and I think it's time I take a break from failing at breeding to get them out. This has been a really bad month long curse for me. Hopefully my luck comes back before the Easter animals come out. Because you know they will have a world event and probably 3 Easter element types just like they did for Vday and Christmas. Please TL make some more pink animals so I don't have to keep crying over the Matripony.

Awww I hope so. I bet we are about to see some green animals though...

Breeding slumps suck! I hope you guys have some good luck soon.

PernReloaded
03-19-15, 05:05 AM
Since the moment I started playing, limited animals have been absolutely hellish to breed. I did alright in the beginning with the unicornicopia and the pumpkin panda, and I managed all the Xmas animals in a decent amount of time. But Cold Turkey? Got it the day before it went out. Cinfetti yeti? Three weeks. Menoram? Nope. Any and all limited animals that have come out since then? Not a sign. That is TWO MONTHS, breeding nonstop for limited animals, and I get a big fat ZERO.

There is NO REASON why my game's RNGs should be such ****. There is simply something about my game that makes it impossible to get anything limited or special. Heck, I cant even get a SR except when the numbers are so high /everyone else/ is getting them as well (see Vday animal breeding).

I'm not even going to mention how MISERABLE the last flash tournament was.

I'm finishing out the St. Paddy's day event, and then I'm DONE. I refuse to play a game that gives me so much grief and ****. It's supposed to be FUN. Not a disappointment from start to finish.

sweetypies97
03-19-15, 05:18 AM
I just got a great danebow and I was seriously shocked. I had over 70 fails for the confetti yeti and didn't get it. I missed out on the matripony too but probably only had 30 fails for it.

Before that I think the last animal I bred was the Santa claws.

Monkeh2369
03-19-15, 04:30 PM
Well I have just failed to get a Danebow. Another limited I missed out on :( I have a gem sale today and almost purchased some. Changed my mind though as I knew I would be wasting my money. I am with PernReloaded - stay till the St. Patrick's event is over and then I will have a good think about whether to carry on playing.

tygerlynx
03-31-15, 07:32 PM
I've been playing since early November. I haven't been counting "fails since last new animal" per say but I am frustrated. If I could just breed one treasure animal or a crystal unicorn, I would be happy. Or maybe ONE limited animal this year...Yes I speed breed but I didn't buy enough to outright buy a treasure/gem animal. I refuse to spend anymore money on this game.

MsKattR
04-03-15, 07:49 AM
This game used to be so much fun. I've been trying for every limited animal that comes out & I end up with nothing but fails. I'm trying various combos that other breeders have used, and nothing. This is making me not want to play this game. Something needs to be fixed. It's beyond frustrating & no longer fun.

sweetypies97
04-03-15, 02:15 PM
What was the last breedable creature that wasn't super or ultra rare released? I am so sick and tired of super rares!

auroramom
04-05-15, 04:49 PM
What's the point of releasing new animals if the odds are so awful that they're impossible to get! The last new animal I got was the matripony and that was after spending real money and many fails and lots of speed breeding. I haven't gotten the mardi claw, greyhound, giraffe, Aperil fool, or chocolate rabbit. I will be so upset if I don't get this rabbit! I have tried speed and regular breeding. Again I say that games should be fun and not cause stress. If you are going to make these new animals so hard to get then good gosh don't make them limited!!!!

amerirish
04-06-15, 01:31 PM
I'm thinking of giving this game up. Not only are Limited animals nearly impossible to breed, only having one nest is crippling. I have 6 eggs in my storage that I worked hard to gain but can't hatch them due to constantly (and vainly) trying for the Limited ones. Also, I hate the mining for runes system for expanding. It takes an incredibly long time to collect enough. If between battle events/tournaments we could fight for them it would be a little better. Overall just really losing interest in this one. Dragon Story is at least slightly less frustrating.

zenobia42
04-10-15, 02:17 PM
So, to everyone else frustrated with breeding in this game, players new or old, I thought I'd point out why to those of us who have played for a long it is even more frustrating. Because while the game has always released new animals regularly, the animals they released early on, we actually had a decent chance of GETTING. Now, almost every new breedable animal is either ultra rare or limited. Here is a table:

New Breedable Animal Releases by Month since the game was released in July 2014
Note: I lopped limited rares and super rares into the same category. They are all nearly as difficult to breed as ultra rares, no matter that some are (mis-)labeled "rare".



Month
Common
Rare
Super Rare
Ultra Rare
Limited


July
10
9
9
1
0


August
1
5
1
1
0


September
4
3
4
0
0


October
1
3
2
0
2


November
0
2
0
3
4


December
0
1
0
1
6


January
0
0
1
1
2


February
0
0
1
0
5


March
0
0
1
2
2



In July, August, September, and even October after they released the first limited breedable animal, you could still have a chance to breed new animals without a clock hanging over your head. If you didn't get it right away, that was okay - you could just keep trying. The first limited animal, the Scarecrow, changed all that. Suddenly one could now relax and enjoy this game any more. Instead, one knew that if you didn't manage to breed the gorgeous new animal within one week, you'd NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER get it.

After they broke the ice with the Scarecrow, it was all downhill. The occasional new rare or super rare. But from December through March, fully 85% of all animals released have been either limited or ultra rare. In other words, nearly impossible to get. March may look not as bad as the months before it with only 2 limiteds. But that is 2 limited, 2 ultras and only one actually possibly breedable without a tremendous amount of luck. That's still 80% of all the animals released that month nearly impossible to breed.

February was a banner month for them - only one... ONE! of the breedable animals released the ENTIRE MONTH was not limited! (The pygmy giraffe). In fact, in the last four full months (December, January, February, AND March) of all the breedable animals released, only 1 animal per month is not either ultra rare or limited. ONE Per MONTH is feasible to breed.

I think them jacking up the odds to punish long-time players in the last tournament was the straw that broke the camel's back in many, many cases. THIS is what got them to the point that only a straw was needed. Breeding has become a CHORE. It just causes tons of DISAPPOINTMENT when playing. So when they took the one thing that we could get with hard work, that was not 100% luck away from us, that was it. If they want to keep players from fleeing the game in droves as they have been doing the last few weeks, they need to 1) REWARD hard work raising epic animals by not making the tournaments absolutely require either tons of gems or an obscene amount of luck and 2) LAY OFF THE [] LIMITED AND ULTRAS. Let us actually be able to BREED something we didn't have yet more than once or twice a month for god's sake!

LonePudding
04-10-15, 03:16 PM
I CAN NOT BELIEVE WHAT JUST HAPPENED. Ugh I'm so angry right now. I just lost a crystal unicorn :mad::mad::mad:

I couldn't believe my eyes, it took ages when I just put my breeding pair in the nest. I took a good 2 minutes to pop up. But it was there, the 45 hour timer. I couldn't believe it. I DIDNT GET A CHANCE TO TAKE A SCREENSHOT. At the top of my iPhone a notification for RS2 popped up, I accidently pressed it.. I flicked back to Fantasy so fast! But It was still there, Timer and everything. Then that stupid pyro pony popped up galloping on the screen. I didn't even know this game does that - processing randomly during playing. THEN MY RAINGUIN AND PLANTHER WERENT IN THE NEST- ITS GONE!! Ohh I'm so angry, hopefully TL support can help me out. I don't even want to open the game again. 'Ohh you can have one, Ohh wait you can't' :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

zenobia42
04-10-15, 03:45 PM
omg - Pudding - that is by far the WORST random game disconnect I've heard of in this game. That's like a nightmare. That's worse than a last-minute tournament win being erased and the time running out.

I really, really hope they give you your unicorn. Please let us know if they do or if they refuse.

LonePudding
04-10-15, 03:50 PM
omg - Pudding - that is by far the WORST random game disconnect I've heard of in this game. That's like a nightmare. That's worse than a last-minute tournament win being erased and the time running out.

I really, really hope they give you your unicorn. Please let us know if they do or if they refuse.

I really hope so, but I won't expect one. I've heard horror stories of this type that didn't end well. I can't believe I was actually lucky enough to even see that timer at level 28. Ohh TL please. I'm so upset.

ninasidstorm8
04-10-15, 04:09 PM
I really hope so, but I won't expect one. I've heard horror stories of this type that didn't end well. I can't believe I was actually lucky enough to even see that timer at level 28. Ohh TL please. I'm so upset.

That is the worst thing I have heard. Make sure you email support. Hopefully, they capture enough information to restore it to you. Given, its the weekend, expect a slow response.

Sending good thoughts your way that TL will fix it for you.

readysetgo888
04-10-15, 04:33 PM
LonePudding, they might give it to you. Only because from what I've seen, terribly enough, they are a lot more likely to give something back to a player if it DIDN'T involve spending real money/gems than if it did. It should be that they give back what people spent REAL money on, but they definitely do not do that. Which, by the way, is flat out robbery. But, since this wasn't something you spent money on, they might help you. They do return animals to people after they accidentally sell them. This is a little different though. I wouldn't hold my breath, but I really hope they fix it for you.

zenobia42
04-10-15, 04:55 PM
LonePudding, they might give it to you. Only because from what I've seen, terribly enough, they are a lot more likely to give something back to a player if it DIDN'T involve spending real money/gems than if it did. It should be that they give back what people spent REAL money on, but they definitely do not do that. Which, by the way, is flat out robbery. But, since this wasn't something you spent money on, they might help you. They do return animals to people after they accidentally sell them. This is a little different though. I wouldn't hold my breath, but I really hope they fix it for you.

Yes, they DO return accidentally sold animals. I hope they return this unicorn. :)

LonePudding
04-10-15, 05:04 PM
Thanks for the responses guys. I'm really hoping that TL aren't all that mean despite what we've seen with the tournaments and breeding and such. They should have everything on record, so I'm hoping they'll provide just a little sympathy. You're all such lovely people :)

LonePudding
04-10-15, 09:26 PM
*sigh*
They blamed it on a sync error. Typical.

I guess winning the tournament and breeding a unicorn was lucky enough. Getting to keep them both, however, was too fortunate for a TL game. Oh well, try again..

keller63
04-10-15, 11:57 PM
I would have taken that screenshot when that pony was up, presuming you could see that 45hour timer behind it. I've been having to do that in tournaments when I've won rounds as that pony pops up everytime and the one time I did screenshot it I got a rollback... Stupid game. So sorry they a such greedy a'holes :(

sweetdeda
04-11-15, 02:49 AM
*sigh*
They blamed it on a sync error. Typical.

I guess winning the tournament and breeding a unicorn was lucky enough. Getting to keep them both, however, was too fortunate for a TL game. Oh well, try again..

So they are not going to give it back to you??? That is such BS. So sorry LonePudding.

LonePudding
04-11-15, 08:35 AM
I would have taken that screenshot when that pony was up, presuming you could see that 45hour timer behind it. I've been having to do that in tournaments when I've won rounds as that pony pops up everytime and the one time I did screenshot it I got a rollback... Stupid game. So sorry they a such greedy a'holes :(


So they are not going to give it back to you??? That is such BS. So sorry LonePudding.

I was too excited I just didn't think to take a screenshot. I do with DS because I know how mean they can be over there, but I forgot they're both TL/S8. Silly me! No unicorn yet, but if some people manage to breed 2, so can I. Non stop breeding for it from now until God knows when. Wish me luck!

readysetgo888
04-11-15, 09:57 AM
Really sorry LonePudding, I'd be very upset if I was you. :(

Not that this will make you feel better, but it could be much worse. There was a thread on here shortly after Black Friday where someone had apparently bought a bunch of gems and a bunch of the grand habitats (they were on sale for 150 gems at that time)... and due to a sync error, their game crashed and they lost the habitats AND the gems that they spent on them. TL refused to give them the gems or the habitats back.

Really, I should have quit playing this game when I read that. If that's not the most disgusting thing I've ever seen any business do, it's close. That's flat out THEFT. If it were me, I would have filed a complaint with my credit card company, the BBB and anywhere else I could think of and emailed them daily until they gave me my money back.

Unfortunately, most people don't have the stamina to fight as hard as you have to fight. But you have to fight. It's people letting them get away with this kind of thing that allows them to do it. That, and letting them hide behind the claim that this is a "Free" game in spite of the hundreds to thousands of dollars that some people spend on it. It's by no means a free game if you've ever spent any money on it, and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this level of awful customer service.

RorJam
04-12-15, 07:55 AM
Frustrated I am and maybe they'll actually make original animals instead of the same boring elements fire/nature and earth/fire! Maybe they'll listen to us and use their imagination. After all this is Fantasy Forest Story. where's the Fantasy in the same elements every holiday period. Hard to imagine a game like dragon story has millions of dragons and elements and this one has to keep using the same ones over and over and over. This game was really fun when I started trying to "catch up" fill my album and still breed the world event or holiday animals, then limited animals started that was kinda fun at first then quickly turned into frustration so bad it's not fun. then you catch up finally breed your super rare you really wanted like the cosmic Phoenix and then the onyx ox comes out then thanksgibon, now I could've spent that month trying for unicorn. Same thing with grasguatch I finally breed that then unicornacorpia, pumpkin panda, treebra, finally get the gold lion, then haeron, then lunar goat, same as sea drake I finally got him after another three weeks of breeding dark/water then or now land shark, Pysena, childabeast, they're great but same elements it's hard to appreciate them. they steel your time breeding and give the elements away in a tournament but never a gem animal oh no cant give those away as prizes keep them at some crazy high % oh they'll give away a unicorn in a sale but not an emerald just a slight price reduce is all you get. Frustrated Breeder

Animenia
04-13-15, 05:09 AM
Please let me know something. How many commons in a row did you have? I'm trying for badger and now I have 15 commons one by one... Three weeks of trying. Earlier I had mix of commons, rares and super rares (sometimes). But after breeding rabbit I have only stupid shock foxes and of course armordillos :)

I think that ARMORDILLO is the FAUVORITE animal for many frustrated breeders :D :D :D :p

But I'm not going to speed and I don't give up :)

readysetgo888
04-13-15, 08:01 AM
Please let me know something. How many commons in a row did you have? I'm trying for badger and now I have 15 commons one by one... Three weeks of trying. Earlier I had mix of commons, rares and super rares (sometimes). But after breeding rabbit I have only stupid shock foxes and of course armordillos :)

I think that ARMORDILLO is the FAUVORITE animal for many frustrated breeders :D :D :D :p

But I'm not going to speed and I don't give up :)

It's been a while since I calculated the odds, but based on my breedings, it seems to be 20% chance of rare and 5% chance of super rare. Of course, if you're breeding for a limited animal, the odds are different. Limited animals, regardless of whether they are called rare or super rare, always have much worse odds.

LonePudding
04-13-15, 08:56 AM
Really sorry LonePudding, I'd be very upset if I was you. :(

Not that this will make you feel better, but it could be much worse. There was a thread on here shortly after Black Friday where someone had apparently bought a bunch of gems and a bunch of the grand habitats (they were on sale for 150 gems at that time)... and due to a sync error, their game crashed and they lost the habitats AND the gems that they spent on them. TL refused to give them the gems or the habitats back.

Really, I should have quit playing this game when I read that. If that's not the most disgusting thing I've ever seen any business do, it's close. That's flat out THEFT. If it were me, I would have filed a complaint with my credit card company, the BBB and anywhere else I could think of and emailed them daily until they gave me my money back.

Unfortunately, most people don't have the stamina to fight as hard as you have to fight. But you have to fight. It's people letting them get away with this kind of thing that allows them to do it. That, and letting them hide behind the claim that this is a "Free" game in spite of the hundreds to thousands of dollars that some people spend on it. It's by no means a free game if you've ever spent any money on it, and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this level of awful customer service.

I totally agree. I'm hooked on FFS and DS, but why would I give my money to a company known for stealing things from the customers? I really wished they would just fix up, and make the game fair and fun again. They'd earn more money like that. They really would.

LonePudding
04-13-15, 09:09 AM
It's been a while since I calculated the odds, but based on my breedings, it seems to be 20% chance of rare and 5% chance of super rare. Of course, if you're breeding for a limited animal, the odds are different. Limited animals, regardless of whether they are called rare or super rare, always have much worse odds.

Mine seems to be 65% chance of a common, 30% chance of a rare, and 5% chance of a super rare. It's very interesting to have a rough estimation, because TL would NEVER release their 'wonderful' breeding formulae.

readysetgo888
04-13-15, 09:49 AM
I really wished they would just fix up, and make the game fair and fun again. They'd earn more money like that. They really would.

Yes. I genuinely believe they would. So many of us here have said how much happier we'd be to spend money if the game was fair. I don't understand their position at all, really. Especially not now that so many long time players have quit recently. They really need to wake up and make some changes.

readysetgo888
04-13-15, 09:53 AM
Mine seems to be 65% chance of a common, 30% chance of a rare, and 5% chance of a super rare. It's very interesting to have a rough estimation, because TL would NEVER release their 'wonderful' breeding formulae.

I think the chance of rares and permanent super rares definitely goes up when a limited animal is out. I have all my breedings tracked, but in order to get a truly accurate picture, I really need to calculate separate odds for the times when I was trying for a limited animal and the times when I wasn't.

Also, I believe the odds of getting a particular animal once you've already bred it once also go up. That's how some people, with the Valentine's element animal breedings, got multiple Magmacores (super rare) and not a single Kitten or Dove ("rares"). But, if you actually needed your first Magmacore as well, you were unlikely to get it.

I think this would be a simple thing for them to code for, and it makes sense. It's all about trying to get people to waste gems. It costs more to speed up a super rare fail than a common fail, so why wouldn't they want people to get as many rare and super rare fails as possible? And if you already have the animal, it's a fail.

I don't know, during limited breedings, what the chance of a rare you already have actually is, but I'd say it's definitely higher than 20%.

I really, really need to go back and calculate the odds from my 5 months of tracked breeding.

zenobia42
04-13-15, 07:19 PM
I really, really need to go back and calculate the odds from my 5 months of tracked breeding.

Oh, please do! I would love to see them. I don't keep track of all my breedings. Only of when each animal came out and when I managed to breed it, if I did. And MANY super-rares, once I finally broke the seal and got it for the first time, after trying for months, I'd get #2 like 2 days later. For example, in the last 25 days, I have managed to breed only 1 new animal. And that is in a large part because of this:


So, to everyone else frustrated with breeding in this game, players new or old, I thought I'd point out why to those of us who have played for a long it is even more frustrating. Because while the game has always released new animals regularly, the animals they released early on, we actually had a decent chance of GETTING. Now, almost every new breedable animal is either ultra rare or limited. Here is a table:

New Breedable Animal Releases by Month since the game was released in July 2014
Note: I lopped limited rares and super rares into the same category. They are all nearly as difficult to breed as ultra rares, no matter that some are (mis-)labeled "rare".



Month
Common
Rare
Super Rare
Ultra Rare
Limited


July
10
9
9
1
0


August
1
5
1
1
0


September
4
3
4
0
0


October
1
3
2
0
2


November
0
2
0
3
4


December
0
1
0
1
6


January
0
0
1
1
2


February
0
0
1
0
5


March
0
0
1
2
2



Since the end of November, only ONE animal per month has had halfway decent odds of actually being able to breed it. The other new releases in breedable animals have ALL been either ultra rare, or limited, which is harder to breed than a permant super-rare, and in some cases, every bit as difficult to breed as an ultra.

Put another way, 85% of the new animals released in the last 164 days, have been extremely difficult to breed. Only 15% feasible, and by "feasible" I mean 4 permanent super rares, oh and one rare - the last time we got a new permanent rare animal was December 12th.... over four months ago.

Animenia
04-14-15, 01:15 AM
Thanks for info.

My statistics for last two months:

TRIES: 115 (about 2x a day)
Common: 92 (80%)
Rare: 14 (12%) 3 new
Super Rare: 9 (8%) 7 new
Ultra Rare: 0 (0%)

I've got 4 limited (Matripony, Danebow, Mardi Claw and Rabbit)

So I'ts no so bad, but why I cant't get any ultra rare :(

zenobia42
04-14-15, 07:24 AM
Thanks for info.

My statistics for last two months:

TRIES: 115 (about 2x a day)
Common: 92 (80%)
Rare: 14 (12%) 3 new
Super Rare: 9 (8%) 7 new
Ultra Rare: 0 (0%)

I've got 4 limited (Matripony, Danebow, Mardi Claw and Rabbit)

So I'ts no so bad, but why I cant't get any ultra rare :(

Regarding the lack of ultra rares, it's not just you. I have been playing the game since day 1, and I have NEVER managed to breed a gem hybrid under normal breeding odds. Not once. Ever. In 9 months. It's like there is a switch in my game set to "off." And I almost always have a unicorn on one side of the breeding den. I don't understand how there are players out there who play 2-3 months and get a bunch of different gem hybrids. I try SO HARD. And I couldn't get one to save my life, other than the brief periods of time they gave us 100% odds.

Monkeh2369
04-15-15, 01:53 AM
I have played this game pretty much since the start so I regard myself as a "veteran" in the game. My breeding odds seem so poor that when we get a pop up for a new animal I just aren't even bothering to try for it as I know I probably will not get one. To be honest as that is how I feel then I keep asking myself what the point is of playing? At the moment I am just trying for a Sapphire Cthulu as it is the last gem animal I need. I am only this far down the line with gem animals as I managed to take advantage of some glitches we have had in the past where gem animals were guaranteed.

I think it was readysetgo88 who said on the Chilldebeest tournament thread that it feels like TL are trying to force old players to quit the game so that they can rinse new, unsuspecting players for gems and I have to say that I think there is some credibility in that statement. I had in my mind that if I hadn't got a Cthulu by the end of April I was going to quit. I have been trying for 3 weeks solid now for a Cthulu but with the fails being 4hrs I can put up with it for now but there will be a point where I just give up trying to get one. However, this new goal may bring things to a head. I only started trying again for a Simian this morning but if I get a lot of fails over the next couple of days then that will be it.

I have said this before but in my opinion TL need to take a long hard look at their pricing model on this game as well. A Cthulu in the shop works out at about 69 GBP. I have just purchased GTA V for the PC for half that which is going to give me far more hours of enjoyment than this game. If things were cheaper though I would have spent more gems on this game. The thing is though that we know there are players out there who will pay this type of money out so I guess this model must work for TL? I appreciate they are a business and have to make money but I still think they would get more players spending money on gems if items we more realistically priced.

chippychan
04-15-15, 04:33 AM
OK, so I'm just gonna vent here because there's one animal I just keep getting... and it's supposed to be a 'super rare': Magmacore

Since I stared playing this game (about 2.5 months ago) I've gotten at least a dozen of this animal on both my accounts. Yesterday I tried breeding Koala Cadabra & Rampage. This has a total of 26 possible outcomes; 10 of which I already have, giving a possible 16 I don't have. I got a 15 hour timer which could be 3 different possible outcomes; only 1 of these I already have (Magmacore).

Aaaaaand, guess what I got? MAGMACORE! :p

Seriously?!?

I'm sure there are others out there that DON'T have a magmacore yet that would like one of the *dozens* I have gotten. :rolleyes:

zenobia42
04-15-15, 06:00 PM
OK, so I'm just gonna vent here because there's one animal I just keep getting... and it's supposed to be a 'super rare': Magmacore

Since I stared playing this game (about 2.5 months ago) I've gotten at least a dozen of this animal on both my accounts. Yesterday I tried breeding Koala Cadabra & Rampage. This has a total of 26 possible outcomes; 10 of which I already have, giving a possible 16 I don't have. I got a 15 hour timer which could be 3 different possible outcomes; only 1 of these I already have (Magmacore).

Aaaaaand, guess what I got? MAGMACORE! :p

Seriously?!?

I'm sure there are others out there that DON'T have a magmacore yet that would like one of the *dozens* I have gotten. :rolleyes:

Okay, that SUX. Sorry. :(

It's also interesting. On January 9, there was a 1-week limited earth-fire animal. Many of us suspect that, when there is a limited animal available, the odds of getting a non-limited "rare" or "super-rare" of that element combo are raised. It sounds like when the chimpala (1-week limited earth-fire) was taken off the market, they forgot to reset the magmacore odds back to normal, and the magmacore is too likely to happen now. But I don't think that's the case - the aperil fool (limited of unknown expiration date - they LOVE to mark an animal as though it were permanent, then suddenly slap a really short timer on it after a few weeks :rolleyes:) and the 1-week chocolate rabbit... and most people reported tons and tons or the usual suspect - armordillos - more than magmacores. It sounds like you unfortunately, got stuck with some screwy luck for a while now.

But be glad your screwy luck is not my screwed luck - in 9 months of playing, the game has refused to even ONCE let me breed a gem hybrid under normal breeding odds. Not ONCE. Screwed is worse than screwy. :)

zenobia42
04-15-15, 06:03 PM
I meant to say before to Animenia, THANKS for collecting those odds! 80-12-8. I would have guessed it more like 80-15-5. So in terms of ultra rares, that is actually better than I thought. I've also seen similar numbers posted here before but I can't seem to find them.

Animenia
04-16-15, 09:33 AM
I've just stopped trying for Solar Simian and started again for Money Badger, and.... I've got 24hrs timer!!!!!
I can't believe :) 49 attempts!! More than 3 weeks with Armordillo and Hareon.
I'm less frustrated now...

It's my first ultra rare after 4 months of playing and 3 months of trying (first I tried for Unicorn and next for Retriever)

55lee55
04-18-15, 10:44 AM
Okay, that SUX. Sorry. :(

cut... Screwed is worse than screwy. :)

Got to agree with you all here.

There is a tremendous amount of luck and timing but not much commons sense built into this game. I think the odds are built in to be against the normal player, allowing a very few to have good luck, but forcing most to fall further behind as each new animal is introduced.

I have been playing since the beginning, and have spent a lot of money too but in the beginning I was extraordinarily lucky. I rapidly got and maintained a full album as I watched neighbors try the same breeding I did and they weren't getting the animals.

My luck has changed recently and I can't help but wonder also as others have if there is a built in bias against long term players. i don't keep stats, but I greatly appreciate those who do because they seem to indicate the difficulty of successfully playing this game over time.

I recently slipped behind and had decided to quit as soon as I ran out of my saved gems. Then in the last few days I had a resurgence of my original good luck and managed to fill in the holes in my album. Today I have 139/139 animals in my album. I am proof that it can be done. But I am convinced after playing so long and watching the luck of others that unfortunately it cannot be done by everyone, at any cost less than outright buying every animal. I have actually bought very few animals except in original sales, and then I have mostly tried (eventually with success)to breed nearly all of my animals. But I think there are definitely more like you Zen, who no matter how much effort you put into breeding are not getting the animals you try for. This makes me sad and I feel a bit guilty about my good luck. I hope that eventually there will be enough statistics to explain why those who experience ongoing bad luck are doing so as maybe the numbers will offer a solution to the problem.

The best solution would be a built in guaranteed breed after a set number of tries but I don't see that happening because it would cause fear in the developers that they might not wring everyone dry of their money. Even though if there was such a built in guarantee it would likely keep many people from becoming frustrated and leaving, I can't see it happening because the game plan seems to be based upon forcing loyal, long time players out in favor of new players. It makes no sense to me, but it must work for Team Lava or they would change their plan.

I am sorry folks that not everyone seems to have an equal chance of success in breeding every animal :(

keller63
04-18-15, 03:31 PM
God **** that's sickening!!! I don't really want all of the creatures but the ones I do want to breed I don't get, the chocolate rabbit did it for me, I spend less attention to this game now. I was going to leave until that kitsune came out and then the toronado. Love them both, just got toronado hopefully have kitsune tomorrow but then after that, prob stop. I'm sick of not getting the limited creatures I so desperately want and I haven't even played for a year yet and already fed up with limited's everywhere. Not to mention the fact I need a new phone just to play it as mine is likely too old to keep up, and I think the next phone will be android and this game isn't available there so looks like that's pretty much it for me :(

LonePudding
04-18-15, 03:49 PM
I am a frustrated breeder.

I can not breed a solar simian.

TokiChunsa
04-19-15, 11:33 PM
Me either, I managed to get Jackalope, the ferret and the parrot as fails, but don't need them. I need the solar simian for the goal. I'm thinking that ppl who buy gems have a slightly better chance than ppl who don't. Ppl who use gems often would be between them

WhiteRabbit89
04-20-15, 02:45 AM
Me either, I managed to get Jackalope, the ferret and the parrot as fails, but don't need them. I need the solar simian for the goal. I'm thinking that ppl who buy gems have a slightly better chance than ppl who don't. Ppl who use gems often would be between them

I used to purchase gems but I stopped when I became 100% sure there was a pattern in my breedings. Since then I have been missing every limited creature with the only exception of the love dove. Maybe it's just a coincidence but who knows... your theory might as well be true :rolleyes:

RorJam
04-24-15, 11:52 AM
This latest limited and planetary sickness has done it for me! I'm deleting this game from three devices and taking my cash money somewhere else! No more ferry ferrets or rainguins for me! I've come to see TL as corrupt as UEFA! They're probably messi fans, barca fans and man city fans!!! Goodbye cruel, unfair and not a Fantasy at all Forest! Trying not to swear! Goodbye. Best of luck to all!

zenobia42
04-24-15, 11:57 AM
This latest limited and planetary sickness has done it for me! I'm deleting this game from three devices and taking my cash money somewhere else! No more ferry ferrets or rainguins for me! I've come to see TL as corrupt as UEFA! They're probably messi fans, barca fans and man city fans!!! Goodbye cruel, unfair and not a Fantasy at all Forest! Trying not to swear! Goodbye. Best of luck to all!

I don't blame you for leaving. Every day I keep playing and failing to breed anything new, every limited animal they deny me, the voice in my head telling me to delete the game gets stronger.

zenobia42
04-24-15, 12:09 PM
In the last 36 days, I have only managed to breed 1 new animal. One. In thirty-six days.

In that time, the chocolate rabbit came and went, along with a bunch of gems wasted trying to get it.
I also tried for the Aperil Fool which there is a 99% chance will go off the market before those of us who have been trying and failing to get a space critter since Tuesday will even get another chance at the fool, except if we give up our chance of getting space animals.

Is there a word in English that means frustrated x100? THAT would be the word to describe my feelings about the game now.

dragonloona
04-24-15, 07:37 PM
In the last 36 days, I have only managed to breed 1 new animal. One. In thirty-six days.

In that time, the chocolate rabbit came and went, along with a bunch of gems wasted trying to get it.
I also tried for the Aperil Fool which there is a 99% chance will go off the market before those of us who have been trying and failing to get a space critter since Tuesday will even get another chance at the fool, except if we give up our chance of getting space animals.

Is there a word in English that means frustrated x100? THAT would be the word to describe my feelings about the game now.

I'm with you Zen, I'm at 76 tries in trying to breed ONE space creature... no tesllama and brought the flyerfox due to breeding issues!!!! Plus I'm having major Internet issues so it's very frustrating, so I too would like to know a word meaning MAJOR FRUSTRATING issues!!!!!! Somethings gotta give!!

sweetcupcake555555
04-24-15, 11:05 PM
I try for every limited , but The one I really wanted was chocolate rabbit tried non stop over 2 accounts with nothing used up the remainder of my gems trying. My fails are doubled as I get no limiteds on 2 accounts. And I am up to the 100th plus try for the toucan still have not got a single gem animal. I can remember when this game began and I felt so happy that such a fun new game was out. It's a shame it's turned into such a money grabbing joke now. :(. I refuse to buy all the animals that I miss out on due to the impossible odds. At $18.99 per animal its ridiculous!

unto0chable87
04-27-15, 12:35 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I am a frustrated breeder, too. Three diamond animals were possible, a toucan was no problem, but the limited animals are impossible... It's sooooo bad! Should I bred the next diamond hybrid? It seems so much easier. -.-'

Since a week I try for plutopus, but only 5, 8, ort 9 hours. *argh*