EXPANSION: Lightning Leopard - 2014 Aug 28

[cquinn32]

Edit(KP)- Be sure and update to version 1.2 in the app store!!


So, if anyone interested:

With 1.2 update we got new expansions.

First expansion cost 500.000. coins, 14 runes, takes 5 hrs to explore (50 gems to speed up), and as a result, you unlock your electric animals. In the expansion you find a little electric habitat, with a lvl 1 lightning leopard sitting in (takes 1 hour to lvl up to lvl 4).

Second expansion costs also 500.000. coins, 14 runes and 5 hours to explore. After exploring you find 3 little things there to clear (cheap ones, 1250, 2500 and 25000 coins), and a 2x2 spots big Radiating Rock, which costs 100.000. coins to clear and 21 hrs 40 mins.

Third expansion costs 1 million coins and 16 runes. Need 100k more to start it, will report later.



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[cocauina]

What are the habitats costs? Besides the 500 gem habitat..

Nvm, I've already seen your new thread xD

[cquinn32]

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[zenobia42]

I don't see those yet in my game - thanks for sharing!

Has anyone built one in anticipation? If so, how long does it take to finish?

[zenobia42]

I keep force closing and restarting my game, and checking the App store for an update and I still don't see the animals or habitats. :(

ETA: After shutting down and restarting my whole ipad, it appeared in the App store. Downloading now!!!

[zenobia42]

ARGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I have more than enough (70) runes but it costs 500,000 coins to expand there! If only I had some ultra rares I'd have that kind of cash lying around. But alas, I am yet again screwed in ANOTHER way by the anti-unicorn luck of this game! Not only do I have no gem animals, but all the gem animal owners can afford an entire new element of animals well before the rest of us!

[Ratisorn]

I don't see those yet in my game - thanks for sharing!

Has anyone built one in anticipation? If so, how long does it take to finish?
You need to update vertion 1.2

[zenobia42]

You need to update vertion 1.2

Thanks, Ratisorn. I tried looking for it in the app store before posting that but it wasn't there. However, after closing everything and shutting down and restarting my ipad, it did appear in the store and I downloaded it. Wish I didn't have to stop spending a single coin on anything else for nearly a day in order to afford the expansion, but such is life without a unicorn or emerald.

Can anyone who has expanded tell us if it is like the frostfang in that you get one lighting leopard and lightning habitat with the expansion?

[Anyuszko]

Just woke up, updated to 1.2, started expansion (5 hours), i will Tell you later.

The update in store said there would be new tournaments as well. In my game there is a red 2 on the battle icon. However if i touch it, it Still says no more tours yet.

Also, since i am at 31/31 habitats, wonder how can i get more if the expansion gives us a lightning habitat

[zenobia42]

Just woke up, updated to 1.2, started expansion (5 hours), i will Tell you later.

The update in store said there would be new tournaments as well. In my game there is a red 2 on the battle icon. However if i touch it, it Still says no more tours yet.

Also, since i am at 31/31 habitats, wonder how can i get more if the expansion gives us a lightning habitat

Ooh, I hope that 31/31 doesn't present a problem for you! Hope to wake tomorrow to hear you got it.

And I can't access the supposed new tournaments either, nor have I heard anyone able to. It appears to not work yet. Sadly.

[momofgiants]

Just got the habitat and it takes 20 hours to build the small one.

[Ratisorn]

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I do not have enough coins.
good luck.

[MelodicStars]

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It appears I moved the habitat from the expansion before it finished expanding. Don't know if it's supposed to happen but I like it :D

[Ratisorn]

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It appears I moved the habitat from the expansion before it finished expanding. Don't know if it's supposed to happen but I like it :D

Nice.
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[JeannesThinkin]

Time to check if I have it.

[sweetypies97]

I'm being told I have to be level 101 to expand there. Great.

[xellosspoo]

I'm being told I have to be level 101 to expand there. Great.

I got that too at first. After you update through the store it goes away.

However they've changed the expansion stones and how many you can have. You can't collect any more than your next expansion requires. :S I'm not too thrilled with this change.

[sweetypies97]

I expanded and got the message but it isn't showing anymore. Phew.

[SANDSCApe]

Just woke up, updated to 1.2, started expansion (5 hours), i will Tell you later.

The update in store said there would be new tournaments as well. In my game there is a red 2 on the battle icon. However if i touch it, it Still says no more tours yet.

Also, since i am at 31/31 habitats, wonder how can i get more if the expansion gives us a lightning habitat

It shouldn't be a problem. If a free habitat comes with the expansion, you will have 32/31 habitats.
When I expanded to the Frostfang, I was already maxed for Level 10, and found myself with 12/11 habitats. I know it sounds weird, but free items can put you over your limit. You may recall that free stamina won in battle would sometimes put you at 3/2 or 4/2 stamina.

I haven't logged into my game yet and will be in no hurry for this. Tired of rushing down the block just to sit at a red light.

[sanya87]

I dont know if anyone noticed, but in description for this update is written they will be adding a new animal every week. I dont like that at all, its already hard to keep up with all the new ones when still missing a bunch of the old ones.

[Anyuszko]

Expansion finished, yes i got habitat under the electric animal. Next expansions costs the same (500000 coins,,14 rumes) 5 hours

[Anyuszko]

So, if anyone interested:

With 1.2 update we got new expansions.

First expansion cost 500.000. coins, 14 runes, takes 5 hrs to explore (50 gems to speed up), and as a result, you unlock your electric animals. In the expansion you find a little electric habitat, with a lvl 1 lightning leopard sitting in (takes 1 hour to lvl up to lvl 4).

Second expansion costs also 500.000. coins, 14 runes and 5 hours to explore. After exploring you find 3 little things there to clear (cheap ones, 1250, 2500 and 25000 coins), and a 2x2 spots big Radiating Rock, which costs 100.000. coins to clear and 21 hrs 40 mins.

Third expansion costs 1 million coins and 16 runes. Need 100k more to start it, will report later.

[zenobia42]

Expansion finished, yes i got habitat under the electric animal. Next expansions costs the same (500000 coins,,14 rumes) 5 hours

Just to clarify: you get the expansion space and one lightning habitat and one lightning leopard for the 500,000 coins and 14 runes?

I am still saving up the coins I started saving last night (by not spending even a single one on food or anything else), and I'd like to know if 4 hours after getting up to 500k, I will actually have the space, and a habitat, and one lightning leopard. (As opposed to having to spend another 280k on the habitat + 250k on the critter).

$10 says no one who has a unicorn and an emerald, and saw the leopard come out 10 or so hours ago, is still sitting around unable to do anything at all in the game, waiting to have enough coins to expand. And I started the wait with 240k coins already on hand.

[zenobia42]

I got that too at first. After you update through the store it goes away.

However they've changed the expansion stones and how many you can have. You can't collect any more than your next expansion requires. :S I'm not too thrilled with this change.

I have 70 runes saved up from my gazillion failed unicorn breeding attempts. Are you saying that they will disappear when I expand to the lightning leopard spot? Whether or not that is the case, that change is just stupid. What a waste! It would ONLY make sense if we were allowed to save up like 100 bombs and then just use them when necessary.

[zenobia42]

Great. So I get all excited we get to finally expand more, only it'll take me days and days and days to do so because, unlike those with a unicorn and emeralds gotten before they chose to screw over anyone who didn't have one, I have to scrimp and save and not spend a penny on anything else for a day just to get 1 of the 500k's. Great.

[Anyuszko]

Well the good news is that at least the obstacles are cheaps (at least in the first 2 places). In first expansion place there is nothing to clear, the second one costs altogether ~130k.
Last time we had a rock with 900k to clear if I remember right.

[Anyuszko]

Just to clarify: you get the expansion space and one lightning habitat and one lightning leopard for the 500,000 coins and 14 runes?

I am still saving up the coins I started saving last night (by not spending even a single one on food or anything else), and I'd like to know if 4 hours after getting up to 500k, I will actually have the space, and a habitat, and one lightning leopard. (As opposed to having to spend another 280k on the habitat + 250k on the critter).

$10 says no one who has a unicorn and an emerald, and saw the leopard come out 10 or so hours ago, is still sitting around unable to do anything at all in the game, waiting to have enough coins to expand. And I started the wait with 240k coins already on hand.

Yes. You get your first habitat and animal "free". ANd it takes only a hour to level up to 4 to make it a parent for next breeding.

[kooky panda]

Merging all update threads together!

[Anyuszko]

I have 70 runes saved up from my gazillion failed unicorn breeding attempts. Are you saying that they will disappear when I expand to the lightning leopard spot? Whether or not that is the case, that change is just stupid. What a waste! It would ONLY make sense if we were allowed to save up like 100 bombs and then just use them when necessary.

No you dont loose the 70 runes you saved. Just you cant farm for more. They lowered the cap of it (not sure to what number), once we go below it (with expanding 3-4 places) we can collect again. But until we are over the cap, we cant farm more.

[infinitelove19]

So does anybody know breed/hatch times for the two new electric/fire hybrids? In my other account right now, I have an 11 hr fire/electric breed time, but no idea what I'm getting....?

Also, TL: Any word on the battlegrounds?? This update said we'd be getting more levels in the battleground, but besides a "2" next to the Battleground button in our menu there is seemingly nothing new with this update for battles.

[KiltedCandyman]

I've got the expansion showing but it says I need to be 101st level for next expansion!

Jim

[infinitelove19]

This one is 16 hours
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This one is 11
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Found this in another thread. Looks like daredevil is 16 hours & 11 hours for Fire Glider.

[danni7788]

I've got the expansion showing but it says I need to be 101st level for next expansion!

Jim

Update your game in the App Store

[infinitelove19]

I've got the expansion showing but it says I need to be 101st level for next expansion!

Jim

Sounds like you need to update in your app store. ;-)

[zenobia42]

Merging all update threads together!
Thanks, kooky! There were way too many threads created in our excitement lol.


Well the good news is that at least the obstacles are cheaps (at least in the first 2 places). In first expansion place there is nothing to clear, the second one costs altogether ~130k.
Last time we had a rock with 900k to clear if I remember right.
It is a "Harmful Hemlocks" that costs 450,000. I know because mine is STILL there, awaiting me to save up enough and not find a more pressing use for the coins. Obviously now it it will wait even longer since I am saving to expand to the leopard. I've been visiting my neighbors and noting that it is still sitting there as well for most people who don't have unicorns/emeralds.

[NatsFanChelle]

I had a Fairy Ferret evolving to level 10 when I updated my app. After it finished evolving I put it back in the habitat but it is now invisible. It only shows a round shadow where it should be. I uninstalled the app then reinstalled it but it did not help. Anyone else having this problem or know how to fix it? Thank you!

[cquinn32]

Did they lower the number of runes we can hold? I have expanded twice since the update and am now down to 42 runes and the mine is telling me I can't collect any more. I had 70 to begin with... I think

[kooky panda]

I had a Fairy Ferret evolving to level 10 when I updated my app. After it finished evolving I put it back in the habitat but it is now invisible. It only shows a round shadow where it should be. I uninstalled the app then reinstalled it but it did not help. Anyone else having this problem or know how to fix it? Thank you!
This has been reported. Current Thread here. (http://forums.storm8.com/showthread.php?72556-Bug-invisible)

[NatsFanChelle]

This has been reported. Current Thread here. (http://forums.storm8.com/showthread.php?72556-Bug-invisible)

Thank you!

[sehana]

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[nelliedon]

I've got the expansion showing but it says I need to be 101st level for next expansion!

Jim

Ik moet ook wachten op level 101 ????:confused:

[kooky panda]

Ik moet ook wachten op level 101 ????:confused:
When you update to the new 1.2 version in iTunes, these new expansions are available.

[EviBrooklyn]

1st expansion is 500,000 and it comes with the habitat, so not a big deal. The 2nd is 500,000 and 112,000 to clear trees and rocks. 3rd is 1,000,000 and 16 runes and don't know yet how much to clear rocks etc. the last one is way to expensive. It's ridiculous !!

[Drachenia]

I'm turn off iPad and turn on. I'm looked at my Fantasy Forest and since the Fee Frettchen was visible again.
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[my607]

These prices are outrageous it should be one cost to expand. Not so many different prices.

[zenobia42]

These prices are outrageous it should be one cost to expand. Not so many different prices.

This prices are outrageous to me as well. Not so much so to people with a bunch of gem animals. They can make those kinds of coins in a few hours. But TL seems to think that making it nearly impossible for the rest of us to ever get there, while they continue to not only have the most beautiful creatures but also make EVERY aspect of the game much easier... somehow continuing to widen that gap further and further is supposed to "balance" the game. Go figure.

[infinitelove19]

1st expansion is 500,000 and it comes with the habitat, so not a big deal. The 2nd is 500,000 and 112,000 to clear trees and rocks. 3rd is 1,000,000 and 16 runes and don't know yet how much to clear rocks etc. the last one is way to expensive. It's ridiculous !!

The third, 1,000,000 coin expansion has a 100,000 coin, 22 hr rock to clear and a tiny (one square in the back corner that i almost didn't see because it looked like it was part of the rock in the previous expanded square) "fail shale" which costs 250,000 to remove & I don't have the coins, so no idea how long it takes.

A fourth expansion is available next down the line & it costs 1,000,000 coin & 16 runes, but again I haven't got the coins, so no idea what lies beneath....

[sanya87]

This prices are outrageous to me as well. Not so much so to people with a bunch of gem animals. They can make those kinds of coins in a few hours. But TL seems to think that making it nearly impossible for the rest of us to ever get there, while they continue to not only have the most beautiful creatures but also make EVERY aspect of the game much easier... somehow continuing to widen that gap further and further is supposed to "balance" the game. Go figure.

Yeah it would be nice if someone from team lava staff can explain to us what does it mean for them to balance the game? To make it more and more hard for some players to get ultra rares and now to expand and clear the land while others who got their unicorns and dragons more easy can also afford all those expensive stuff much faster too? Hello? Balance? Where? Are we stupid to not see how this makes the game more balanced or what?

[zenobia42]

Started my expansion to the lightning leopard earlier this afternoon. It's not done yet but it must show as done to visitors because it's already sparkling lol!

[EviBrooklyn]

Update: I think it was 125,000 gold to clear rocks and trees on expansion # 3.
Expansion #4 is 1,000,000 and 18 ruins. I'll let you know in a few hours how much to clear them.
So a quick recap: expansion are very small, you can fit only one habitat.
If the new expansions cost 1,000,000 plus another $200,000 to clear them, plus the price to buy the habitat (average 400,000), we are looking at 1,600,000 to add one habitat that holds 3 animals. I still don't have a unicorn so I'll calculate the very rares I have, which are about 900-1450/ hour x3 ~3400/hour
Hmmm, I do foresee many members giving up ��

[infinitelove19]

Started my expansion to the lightning leopard earlier this afternoon. It's not done yet but it must show as done to visitors because it's already sparkling lol!

LOL, I wonder if it was me? I know I visited somebody, and even though their lightning creature was covered in trees and completely overgrown, it let me leave sparkles there. Kinda strange, but ok. ;-)

[infinitelove19]

Update: I think it was 125,000 gold to clear rocks and trees on expansion # 3.

It is actually 350,000 gold coins. 100,000 coins (& 22 hours) for the big rock and a tiny 'fail shale' in the back corner that is a whopping 250,000 coins! I haven't done the fail shale yet, due to lack of coins. Do you know how long it takes?

Update: I earned enough coins to clear the fail shale & it takes 33 hours and twenty minutes to clear. Kinda strange, but there it is.

[infinitelove19]

Yeah it would be nice if someone from team lava staff can explain to us what does it mean for them to balance the game? To make it more and more hard for some players to get ultra rares and now to expand and clear the land while others who got their unicorns and dragons more easy can also afford all those expensive stuff much faster too? Hello? Balance? Where? Are we stupid to not see how this makes the game more balanced or what?

Totally agree with you!!!

They seem to be prioritizing making Emeralds harder to get, over some semblance of fairness to all players. Not cool. So what if some people want to spend countless hours of 20-second fails to get a few Emeralds on their islands?

Is punishing the rest of us by changing the game part way through, & making it harder to afford expansions as a result really the best move? I think not. That change totally ruined my Friday night plans to (attempt to) breed for Emerald while watching a movie, not to mention the gems I used speeding up hatching & evolving my Crystal Unicorn all because I thought I knew what the rules were. 20 second fails weren't a glitch to be fixed, it was the design!!! TL totally pulled a fast one as far as I'm concerned.

Result: All gem purchases (Dragon Story, Farm Story, Castle Story & this one) suspended until they change it back. Period.

edit: Did I mention I have these games on 3 devices? All purchases suspended.

[Hawksmoor]

Sorry if someone's mentioned this already. You need to be Level 17 before you can expand to the Lightning Leopard. I'm about halfway through Level 16 so not quite there yet.
And apparently the new battles will be available tomorrow :)
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[hugpete]

My second acct has no Unicorn and was able to expand to the lightning leopard already due to not finishing other expansions gets. It was 2 behind so the lightnin expansion only costs 100k. :)

[ramothsflight]

No you dont loose the 70 runes you saved. Just you cant farm for more. They lowered the cap of it (not sure to what number), once we go below it (with expanding 3-4 places) we can collect again. But until we are over the cap, we cant farm more.

The cap is how many rune stones you need for your next expansion. I used my runes up expanding to the leopard except for a few. Now I need 12 for my next expansion, and that's my cap. I can mine for food or gold, but no runes. Which is really going to slow the game down in terms of being able to expand. Not sure how any of this qualifies as good customer service. Oh wait. Never mind. This is TL we are talking about. ;)

[Ratisorn]

I'm turn off iPad and turn on. I'm looked at my Fantasy Forest and since the Fee Frettchen was visible again.
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Is fixed
http://forums.storm8.com/showthread.php?72556-Bug-invisible

[gammarayburst]

Just to clarify: you get the expansion space and one lightning habitat and one lightning leopard for the 500,000 coins and 14 runes?

I am still saving up the coins I started saving last night (by not spending even a single one on food or anything else), and I'd like to know if 4 hours after getting up to 500k, I will actually have the space, and a habitat, and one lightning leopard. (As opposed to having to spend another 280k on the habitat + 250k on the critter).

$10 says no one who has a unicorn and an emerald, and saw the leopard come out 10 or so hours ago, is still sitting around unable to do anything at all in the game, waiting to have enough coins to expand. And I started the wait with 240k coins already on hand.

I have both the Unicorn and the Emerald Dragon, and I still don't have enough coins to expand right now. :( The amount of food it takes to feed both of them to level 10 is very expensive, so most of the coins I've earned from them so far have gone back into feeding them. 500,000 coins is just too much for an expansion for low-level players, and since the game just came out a few months ago, everyone is fairly new to it.
Besides the price of the expansion, I'm having some problems with the new battleground levels that the update was supposed to have added. The battle icon in my menu has the little red circle with the number "2" in it like there is something new, but when I click it, it keeps telling me that I have already completed all of the available levels. It also says that more levels are coming soon. I already downloaded the new update, so I don't know why it's telling me that. Anyone else having this problem?
EDIT: Sorry, I just saw Hawksmoor's post saying that the new battle levels will be available tomorrow. Thanks, Hawksmoor!

[xellosspoo]

No you dont loose the 70 runes you saved. Just you cant farm for more. They lowered the cap of it (not sure to what number), once we go below it (with expanding 3-4 places) we can collect again. But until we are over the cap, we cant farm more.

The cap is however many runes you need for the next expansion. So I could only have 14 ruins when the next expansion needed 14 runes. Now that I need 16 runes for the next expansion, my cap is now 16 runes. If You keep mining after you get the (in my case) 16th rune, you only get coins or food.

I'm really not thrilled about this. It means that bombs will essentially go to waste once I reach the next expansion cap. But they get really expensive. My next is 16 runes and 1,000,000coins.

[zenobia42]

My second acct has no Unicorn and was able to expand to the lightning leopard already due to not finishing other expansions gets. It was 2 behind so the lightnin expansion only costs 100k. :)

That's great! I wish i had not wasted my coins a while ago on the last expansion. The 450,000 obstacle there is looking like it will take an eternity to get rid of.

[zenobia42]

I have both the Unicorn and the Emerald Dragon, and I still don't have enough coins to expand right now. :( The amount of food it takes to feed both of them to level 10 is very expensive, so most of the coins I've earned from them so far have gone back into feeding them. 500,000 coins is just too much for an expansion for low-level players, and since the game just came out a few months ago, everyone is fairly new to it.

Ah, sorry, I totally missed that aspect of it. *High-level* players with the unicorn and emerald have it made in all aspects of the game compared to both the unicornless AND low-level players, even if the low-level playes have them. Thanks for drawing attention to that miss on my part.

In electric news, I finished my expansion, spent a gem and the food I had been accumulating (before stopping food production entirely in order to be able to afford the expansion), to get him of breedable age, put him in with a pony, and got the 16-hour timer! It is SO refreshing to a) put 2 animals in the breeding den and KNOW you will actually get an animal you don't already have and b) not have to get that neverending hope it might finally be a unicorn crushed yet again. :)

[MelodicStars]

To be honest, the daredevil looks simply like a different version of the solar simian. I still got it on my first try though, not that I'm complaining :P

[infinitelove19]

In electric news, I finished my expansion, spent a gem and the food I had been accumulating (before stopping food production entirely in order to be able to afford the expansion), to get him of breedable age, put him in with a pony, and got the 16-hour timer! It is SO refreshing to a) put 2 animals in the breeding den and KNOW you will actually get an animal you don't already have and b) not have to get that neverending hope it might finally be a unicorn crushed yet again. :)

And you even got the rare hybrid, congrats! :-)

[infinitelove19]

To be honest, the daredevil looks simply like a different version of the solar simian. I still got it on my first try though, not that I'm complaining :P

I thought the same. I am low on cash so stopped after one breeding, & just getting the Glider for now. Gotta fill up some habitats first. ;-)

[EviBrooklyn]

Congrats Zenobia on your super rare breed !!

[hugpete]

The cap is however many runes you need for the next expansion. So I could only have 14 ruins when the next expansion needed 14 runes. Now that I need 16 runes for the next expansion, my cap is now 16 runes. If You keep mining after you get the (in my case) 16th rune, you only get coins or food.

I'm really not thrilled about this. It means that bombs will essentially go to waste once I reach the next expansion cap. But they get really expensive. My next is 16 runes and 1,000,000coins.
I have a 33 bomb cap at level 17 (2nd acct) but my next expansion is only 14 runes. On my main acct I'm up to level 28 and my rune cap is 39.


That's great! I wish i had not wasted my coins a while ago on the last expansion. The 450,000 obstacle there is looking like it will take an eternity to get rid of.
Yeah, I was pretty excited about it. I was trying to save up the 500k but then checked it and it was only 100k! Yay! I just might have to keep playing my 2nd acct now... I was going to quit it.

I got the 16 hr Daredevil too! Woot.

[Siahnette]

This prices are outrageous to me as well. Not so much so to people with a bunch of gem animals. They can make those kinds of coins in a few hours. But TL seems to think that making it nearly impossible for the rest of us to ever get there, while they continue to not only have the most beautiful creatures but also make EVERY aspect of the game much easier... somehow continuing to widen that gap further and further is supposed to "balance" the game. Go figure.

I am level 18 and have always been making enough money to save for expansions, clearing foliage or whatever expensive habitat *cough* shadow *cough* in 2-3 days max. Never spent gold to help. I just got that **** unicorn two days ago, and so far, 1000 extra coins an hour did not make a big difference... The key is to always have as much habitats as you can and just fill them with babies (or preferably lvl 4) commons. Yes, your fails from the unicorn. Instead of getting just 100 by selling them, you get around 100/hour from them until you replace them with an animal you didnt have. Got ten of them ? You got yourself the equivalent of a lvl 7 unicorn.
The prices of the game are all really attainable for everyone who knows how to make the most out of the possibilities they have. Trust me, the day when I started appplying that to my Dragon Story game, I went from "dead poor" to "dunno what to do with mah munny" in a few weeks...
Oh, and just in case you forgot, you are not supposed to get everything instantly in this kind of game. That?s the point of making you earn money, breed constantly, mine, feed your animals... Dont let hourself become frustrated by an iphone/ipad game. There are a lot of things to get frustrated about in general, but this is not one of them. Waitin to get someth?g does not take the pleasure away from the game, it makes it interesting.

[Anyuszko]

I am level 18 and have always been making enough money to save for expansions, clearing foliage or whatever expensive habitat *cough* shadow *cough* in 2-3 days max. Never spent gold to help. I just got that **** unicorn two days ago, and so far, 1000 extra coins an hour did not make a big difference... The key is to always have as much habitats as you can and just fill them with babies (or preferably lvl 4) commons. Yes, your fails from the unicorn. Instead of getting just 100 by selling them, you get around 100/hour from them until you replace them with an animal you didnt have. Got ten of them ? You got yourself the equivalent of a lvl 7 unicorn.
The prices of the game are all really attainable for everyone who knows how to make the most out of the possibilities they have. Trust me, the day when I started appplying that to my Dragon Story game, I went from "dead poor" to "dunno what to do with mah munny" in a few weeks...
Oh, and just in case you forgot, you are not supposed to get everything instantly in this kind of game. That?s the point of making you earn money, breed constantly, mine, feed your animals... Dont let hourself become frustrated by an iphone/ipad game. There are a lot of things to get frustrated about in general, but this is not one of them. Waitin to get someth?g does not take the pleasure away from the game, it makes it interesting.

Agree with you. The game just started (about just a month ago), no need to expand everywhere so fast. It is still fast enough, compared to DS (where it took days to get enough maps), then a whole day to explore, then another whole day to clear - no matter how rich you were, it took about a whole week to explore just one place.

[SANDSCApe]

Agree with you. The game just started (about just a month ago), no need to expand everywhere so fast. It is still fast enough, compared to DS (where it took days to get enough maps), then a whole day to explore, then another whole day to clear - no matter how rich you were, it took about a whole week to explore just one place.

Lets not forget Dragon Story's Arctic expansions - over-priced habitats, farms, food, everything; and animals that make ZERO coins, yet drop their breeding "fuel" to the sound of tinkling coins. You could easily blow millions of coins in a single day within the confines of that isolated playpen with nothing to show for it, LITERALLY, since nobody could visit to admire your progress.

Expansions up on the ice shelf are beginning to look like they serve the same purpose as the Arctic Expansion -- to relieve the millionaires of their burdensome wealth. Isn't it rather ironic that this cliff is the Arctic section? Hmmm.

I'm looking forward to the bit of wiggle room I will have to move things around when these monoliths eventually get cleared off the ice, but I can't keep this up. Like the DS Arctic, this is consuming coins faster than even the Ultra-rare Society members can earn them. Really not for players who must save up for an expansion; this territory is largely for pioneers who already have a large stash of coins.

You could build 4 or 5 Dark or Lightning habitats with what it costs to expand and clear just ONE of these back-row plots. And I was already considering those habitats expensive enough to not have many.

[Siahnette]

Bonus fact for all of you : as I didnt rush to expand and get more room than I needed, my next expansion, which will be the lightning one, costs only 200 000. Which I will probably get by tomorrow.

[SANDSCApe]

For players with limited funds who don't badly need the space, I suggest you skip whichever plots you can to find a shortcut to the Leopard. Maybe you can put some Electric drones to work on cheap Fire habitats.

Also, if you're able to reach your maximum number, max out your habitat limit BEFORE you expand to the Lightning Leopard. It will give you an extra habitat over your limit. But this will only help if you're prepared to work with just one Electric habitat. If you have 32/31 habitats (the free Electric Expanse being the 32nd one), and want to add Electrics or swap out habitats, you will have to sell TWO habitats in order to build any other. If you sell just one, it will put you back to 31 habitats and you won't be able to buy another one because 31 is your true limit. LOL. We can't win.

[ckap93]

After the most recent update it shows that I have 2 things for the battlegrounds but when i go to the battlegrounds it shows the message that "you've completed all the levels..."

Is this a glitch that came with the new update?

[zenobia42]

After the most recent update it shows that I have 2 things for the battlegrounds but when i go to the battlegrounds it shows the message that "you've completed all the levels..."

Is this a glitch that came with the new update?

They said they would fix it sometime today that we can get in and play the new levels. :)

[smallclimber]

Bonus fact for all of you : as I didnt rush to expand and get more room than I needed, my next expansion, which will be the lightning one, costs only 200 000. Which I will probably get by tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure mine was only 50,000. I have several non expanded plots on the main island. And the habitat was free, it was just there when I expanded.
I only downloaded this game to get gems in another game, but now I am thinking of deleting the other one to give me more time for this one!

[Anyuszko]

I didnt see reported before, so: 4th expansion costs 1million and 18 runes, after exploring there are two fail shales to clear (each costs 250k and 33 hours 20 mind to clear).

Then, you Can Explore to North and east, for 1mil/18runes

[Anyuszko]

I'm pretty sure mine was only 50,000. I have several non expanded plots on the main island. And the habitat was free, it was just there when I expanded.
I only downloaded this game to get gems in another game, but now I am thinking of deleting the other one to give me more time for this one!

First I didnt understand why the expansion price to the electric leopard differs. Now I understand, that the more you explore (no matter where) the more you have to pay for it. Since I expanded a lot, I have to pay now 1 mill + 18 runes. But low lvl players, who did not expanded everywhere on the main island, got to the north island fast and "shortcutted" to leopard, they can expand there more cheap price. However then the other expansions would be pricy.

[55lee55]

I am really enjoying this update.

Yes, because I can't get and quit even trying for an Emerald Dragon, it is tough making the gold for these expansions and habitats, and clearing the rocks, but at least I finally got the Crystal Unicorn at Level 30, and that finally makes it possible to play.

Ultimately, that is what this update did for me. It allowed me to play. To participate in Battles, to mine a bit, to strategize, breed a few Monsters and to expand. In other words, it did nearly everything I asked for. Much more expensive, but not impossible now that I have a Unicorn. At first I was worried that we would have too many hard to get animals but not enough expansion room, but for me it seems to be working out well enough. I can't get the Emerald Dragon and after spending so may times trying for it when the breed time was seconds, now that it is five hours I am not wasting my time on something I have even less chance to get. I am resigned to working with what I have.

What I have is turning out to be a pretty good game. I have managed to breed all of the animals but the Spruce Moose and the Emerald Dragon, which I am no longer trying to breed. I am enjoying this game now. I have room to move and rearrange my habitats, and will have more when I finish expanding. I don't expect TL to put out a full start to finish game up front, but it seemed to me that the game was released prematurely. With this release there are more Battles, Expansions, Habitats and Animals. All are needed to keep playing the game. The limit on Runes were increased which made mining more interesting, and then they were lowered, but it increased again a bit once I used the ones I had banked. I would rather not have a Rune limit because unfortunately this game is so limit based when it would be much more fun were it achievement based, but still, it is a big improvement. Added to the fact that TL is a Master Monster crafter, I have changed my mind about this game.

Please keep up the momentum TL. It is starting to come together. Perfect? Far from it. But heading in the right direction. There is room for improvement, but just don't stop TL and leave us hanging again. To keep a game like this running it needs to have all parts moving forward. I hope those who worried about too many Animals, a worry I was beginning to have as well, feel better with the expansions and new habitats.

The Battles not only help us get a feel for our Animals and what they do, there is a much faster gain in food and money as well. I enjoy them and am done with this last round.

I too have a 2 showing for the Battleground but I have completed he battles and am hatching the egg, so I am not sure why it is showing, and I failed to earn the extra battle energies on Battle Level 76 ? but I made it and enjoyed it.

Please keep updating like this TL and if you could explain so even someone like me who has been lucky and has actually bred all but one of the Animals except the Emerald Dragon, why or how changing the breed time from seconds to hours balances anything. it was nearly impossible before. Now it is totally impossible due to the five hour minimum wait in trying for a nearly impossible breeding. Some I am sure are doing as I am and stopping trying for the Emerald Dragon. I can still eventually slide by because I did get the Unicorn. I don't see how playing this game would be possible for long without at least breeding a Unicorn. It is just going to take a long time for me to earn the $ with only one Crystal creature, but I do have the Unicorn.

Without the Emerald Dragon it is difficult, but not impossible. I do admit I have been lucky to have 42/44 animals at this point in the game. I doubt most are only short two right now, even many who do have the Emerald.

Keep going TL!

[EviBrooklyn]

I'm still trying but no cute unicorns for me... Oh well, let's see how long it will take before I get one in my forest

[Anyuszko]

Perhaps new info, I didnt seen before. You can expand to the upper island as well.

http://w3.enternet.hu/kanaizol/szig1.png

Also, what waits for you after explored (found at a neighbour): (many 250k fail shapes)

http://w3.enternet.hu/kanaizol/szig2.png

[SANDSCApe]

...
Expansions up on the ice shelf are beginning to look like they serve the same purpose as the [Dragon Story] Arctic Expansion -- to relieve the millionaires of their burdensome wealth. Isn't it rather ironic that this cliff is the Arctic section? Hmmm.

I'm looking forward to the bit of wiggle room I will have to move things around when these monoliths eventually get cleared off the ice, but I can't keep this up. Like the DS Arctic, this is consuming coins faster than even the Ultra-rare Society members can earn them. Really not for players who must save up for an expansion; this territory is largely for pioneers who already have a large stash of coins.
...


Perhaps new info, I didnt seen before. You can expand to the upper island as well.

http://w3.enternet.hu/kanaizol/szig1.png

Also, what waits for you after explored (found at a neighbour): (many 250k fail shapes)

http://w3.enternet.hu/kanaizol/szig2.png


Indeed, my excursion to the upper ice cliff has left me flat broke. As for why I scraped together 1 million coins to go there -- a vicious circle -- I needed to expand in order to use up my 18 runes in order to use up some bombs in order to get the bombs that I would earn from breeding.
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a517/SandScapes/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps608d4444.jpg (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/SandScapes/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps608d4444.jpg.html)

So I've been effectively relieved of my millions, and since I don't even have enough coins to chop down a tree, food production has been halted indefinitely. It's okay though because, structurally, my forest is very pleasing to me. I have all the habitats I want (except the Big Electric & Big Gem that are slated for ... I dunno ... someday). Plus I've been able to rearrange everything, so now things are actually WHERE I want them.

I won't stay broke for too long, I hope, and don't expect to be buying anything for a few more days at least. Even if an Electric-Nature hybrid arrives on Friday (I'm expecting it), I can find a way to squeeze it in.

I'll let you know soon what obstacles are on the upper cliff.

[SANDSCApe]

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a517/SandScapes/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps8c3f20f2.jpg (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/SandScapes/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps8c3f20f2.jpg.html)

First plot on upper ice cliff: 3 Fail Shales (250K coins each) and 1 Radiating Rock (100K coins). Total cost of 850K coins to clear. Can place a small habitat by removing only the Radiating Rock

Down on lower ice cliff: 3 Fail Shales and 1 Frozen Fir (25K coins). Total cost of 775K coins to clear. Can place a small habitat by removing just 1 Fail Shale..

The 2 plots that I skipped on the lower ice cliff have the following obstacles:

A. 2 Fail Shales and 1 Radiating Rock. Total cost of 600K coins to clear.

B. 1 Fail Shale and 1 Harmful Hemlocks. Total cost of 700K coins to clear.

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a517/SandScapes/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsb1acf0cd.jpg (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/SandScapes/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsb1acf0cd.jpg.html)
As you can see, we now have a few choices on which plot to explore. But whichever way you turn, the prices are ghastly.

[Anyuszko]

Very nice layout Sand, I like it :)

[zenobia42]

It just plain sucks to have to save up for days to be able to expand, then save up for days again to be able to clear the obstacles you find. I have been working very hard to maximize my income but I feel like I cannot get anywhere without super rares. At best I'll be opening one expansion a week. That is just not as fun as when the game let all of us move forward at a decent clip. Losing more interest in this game daily.

[SANDSCApe]

It just plain sucks to have to save up for days to be able to expand, then save up for days again to be able to clear the obstacles you find. I have been working very hard to maximize my income but I feel like I cannot get anywhere without super rares. At best I'll be opening one expansion a week. That is just not as fun as when the game let all of us move forward at a decent clip. Losing more interest in this game daily.

True. My SANDSCAPE and PLAYPEN accounts are crawling along while my main account SAND progresses quickly. But since they are moving at a leisurely pace, they are doing okay with the costs. They are still below Level 17 and their expansions are still costing 30K to 50K coins. The game is less stressful when played that way.

With the SAND account I knew I would want to play often and push forward wherever I could. That's why I put a drone system in place EARLY when I realized I wasn't going to be blessed with super-rares. Getting lucky with the ultra-rares helped make up for that and allows me to negotiate the speed bumps.

Make no mistake. All this expensive stuff amounts to just that -- speed bumps to ensure that we don't quickly get to an end point (all animals collected and raised, all expansions done and cleared, all battles fought, all goals met; bored and complaining. The game strives to make sure that, for a long while, we encounter expenses that drain our coins faster than we earn them. This forces us to slow down or pause from time to time. Eventually, every investment breaks even and the player begins to see nothing but net. Some get there sooner than others, but the game seeks to postpone that for the average player.

Less than 2 weeks ago, players were complaining of hitting a dead end. Bored; very little to do; cramped for space; unable to build large habitats because space would not permit it even though the coins were available. The developers listened. They gave us our expansions, but made sure that most of us would not race through them, build all the big stuff then complain next week of being stuck again.

Those of us who don't want to go slow can easily get frustrated by these obstacles, which for some of us seem insurmountable. My most recent expansion yesterday left me with less than 3K coins. But as soon as I raised enough for one Fail Shale, I paid it out again. Then another... and another... I'm making coins faster than many players, but I'm parting with the money almost immediately. This morning, I grinned at a coin balance of 8 coins! But this is not a playing style I'd reccomend for most players.

[SANDSCApe]

Very nice layout Sand, I like it :)

Thank you!

[SANDSCApe]

Upper ice cliff. This is the plot to the left of the first one up there. At a glance, the obstacles appear to be the Harmful Hemlocks and 2 Fail Shales. But there are two additional obstacles hiding behind the Harmful Hemlocks and cannot be reached until it clears. (I've placed a Fire Fir in the corner and 5 Stone Paths to show the squares that are free.)

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a517/SandScapes/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps23a05d37.jpg (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/SandScapes/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps23a05d37.jpg.html)

This business of hidden obstacles is nasty because it means that after 33 hours of waiting for the visible Harmful Hemlocks and Fail Shales to clear, we may have another 33 hours on top of that if there are 2 more Fail Shales back there.
Total cost to clear is probably 1.4M if my suspicions are correct (950K coins to clear the immediately visible obstacles and another 500K for hidden ones).
Don't expand here if you still have expansions available on the lower ice cliff. If you HAVE already expanded here, please post a confirmation of what's behind the Hemlocks once you clear them.
Again, I did this expansion so I could make room in my storage for more bombs. No need or desire to clear this one anytime soon.

[SANDSCApe]

The cost to expand is not fixed to any specific plot. The first five expansions are in an assigned order on the first Green Cliff. Your 6th expansion will offer you more than one plot to choose from and you can opt to skip Plots 6-9 on the Green Cliff and move on to the Ice Cliff. Track your expansions by counting the plots you have already explored (even if they are not cleared).
Note that the first 11 plots on the Green Cliff did not require expansion, so don't count those.

Expansion costs are as follows:
Everybody's 1st: 0 Runes & 1K coins
Everybody's 2nd: 0 Runes & 10K coins
Everybody's 3rd: 0 Runes & 20K coins
Everybody's 4th & 5th: 2 Runes & 25K coins & 5 minutes
YOUR 6th & 7th: 4 Runes & 30K coins & 20 minutes
YOUR 8th & 9th: 6 Runes & 40K coins & 1 hour
YOUR 10th & 11th: 8 Runes & 50K coins & 2 hours
YOUR 12th & 13th: 10 Runes & 100K coins & 3 hours
YOUR 14th & 15th: 12 Runes & 200K coins & 4 hours
YOUR 16th & 17th: 14 Runes & 500K coins & 5 hours
YOUR 18th & 19th: 16 Runes & 1M coins & 6 hours
YOUR 20th & 21st: 18 Runes & 1M coins & 7 hours
YOUR 22nd & 23rd: 20 Runes & 1M coins & 8 hours
...
I have done 22 expansions so don't know the cost of the 24th one yet. But we can see a clear pattern.

Players who skipped the last 4 plots on the Green Cliff could expand to the Lightning Leopard for as little as 8 Runes & 50K coins in 2 hours, if that was only their 10th expansion. Those who had already expanded 15 plots by the time the Lightning expansion opened would pay 14 Runes & 500K coins with a longer wait. Ultimately, all progress comes at the same cumulative cost. Skip smartly if/when you can!

Posted on the Pre-Lightning expansion thread.