Can we Get some Breeding Basics?

[Takiofallen]

OK TL i get the fact that there is a secret to the breeding in this game. There is a formula that decides how we get what we get, but can we get a basic idea on how breeding works. We are lead to believe that only 2 elements are chosen when breeding and from that we have a chance of get a particular result. This explains why when mixing 3 elements( lets use forest as the pure and magic/fire as the hybrid) we can end up with only they hybrid elements being used. If were were to place forest/magic and fire in a bag and picked 2 out at random we could pull out the magic/fire and breed from there.

OK fine that makes perfect sense. Now with using 4 elements again it works the same way except when breeding diamond it's like the 4 different elements that are in a bag all get pulled out which the result is diamond. OK, fine there but here is where you COMPLETELY loose me.

Lets say i deiced to use 2 hybrids of the same element. Lets go with a Familiar and a poison. So we take the elements and put them in the bag and pick them out at random. Now i should be able to pull out 2 forest elements to breed with because there are 2 there and it's random. If this is a case why when mixing we never can get a pure forest dragon or a pure magic? This tells me that the way we are lead to believe that breeding works is not the way it works....... So again i just want a basic guide line for breeding. When a magic element is put in the bag does it split in to a fire/water? Does it remain one element. How does a Diamond element breakdown?

Again i know there is a method to the madness. I don't want the madness i just want the basics.

[Horntail21]

That may be the only thing throwing you off. Maybe they thought of that and wrote it into the code. Maybe they figured "well if someone is breeding poison/poison they definitely don't want a forest or magic so lets make it so that doesn't happen".

As far as the Magic debate over whether it acts as red or blue in a breeding, that has to be false. Never seen or heard of it happening without another reasonable explanation. I say someone volunteer one of their devices to this experiment. Breed only magic/magic for 2 years and list the results. I do not volunteer for the experiment lol.

[uevenliftbro]

That may be the only thing throwing you off. Maybe they thought of that and wrote it into the code. Maybe they figured "well if someone is breeding poison/poison they definitely don't want a forest or magic so lets make it so that doesn't happen".

As far as the Magic debate over whether it acts as red or blue in a breeding, that has to be false. Never seen or heard of it happening without another reasonable explanation. I say someone volunteer one of their devices to this experiment. Breed only magic/magic for 2 years and list the results. I do not volunteer for the experiment lol.

2 years would make the results far too inaccurate, testing would have to be at least 5 years. minimum.

[Takiofallen]

This is possible but i would take forest fail over a poison fail any day, and if this is how they have it set up then it won't hurt to let me know. With that said how does the diamond break down people have been only able to breed purebreds. So a diamond can break down in to all 5 elements but they both always break down to exactly the same element?
That may be the only thing throwing you off. Maybe they thought of that and wrote it into the code. Maybe they figured "well if someone is breeding poison/poison they definitely don't want a forest or magic so lets make it so that doesn't happen".

As far as the Magic debate over whether it acts as red or blue in a breeding, that has to be false. Never seen or heard of it happening without another reasonable explanation. I say someone volunteer one of their devices to this experiment. Breed only magic/magic for 2 years and list the results. I do not volunteer for the experiment lol.

[Takiofallen]

us as a group not just me lol

[Horntail21]

This is possible but i would take forest fail over a poison fail any day, and if this is how they have it set up then it won't hurt to let me know. With that said how does the diamond break down people have been only able to breed purebreds. So a diamond can break down in to all 5 elements but they both always break down to exactly the same element?


Yeah I don't see the harm in confirming that aspect of the hybrid x hybrid not equaling pure. The diamond seems to have a code unique unto itself either acting as a mirror when bred with a non diamond or a pure element only breeding with itself.

Hmm that raises another question for me. When breeding a diamond with a diamond hybrid what are the results? Say you breed a diamond with a crusader. Will the results only be a diamond/crusader/fire? or does the diamond show all of it's colors and any dragon under the rainbow is a possibility? I haven't tried.

[Horntail21]

Well not any dragon under the rainbow. Any fire or diamond hybrid available.

[Takiofallen]

Right because breeding a diamond with a diamond/hybrid should give you the possible results of breeding all three but with this combo you can't breed another diamond.

[hyper_ch]

For what I know it works like this:

(1) add the colours of two draongs
(2) if a colour is doubled, just use one
(3) pick two random colours - if there are two
(4) check probability on the actual dragon result if there's multiple dragons with the same colours

There's a few special things like:

2x diamond can end up with a diamond (?) or any single colour
red and blue can result in a magic dragon

[hyper_ch]

addon:

4 colours can result in diamond

[PDAGuppies]

@ taikofallen

Good thinking. I mean I would have never came up with an idea like this.
I'd volunteer to help you experiment but nothing over about 2-3 days if we have a limited dragon out. If its a regular day, then maybe I'll do one week. So remember ask me to help experiment if it's a group. I'm not too hype on doing individual.

Anyways I want to ask kooky panda or any mods to look at this if you don't mind

[Takiofallen]

I first noticed the problem when i was breeding a diamond dragon with a winter dragon. I did this because out of all the outcomes i could get {light, water, winter,ice-cream, dream, mercury, and angel} I needed 4 of the dragons. i ended up breeding 15 winters, 8 ice creams and 1 dream before i stopped. What bothered me the most was the fact i never bred a light or a water dragon as a fail. For those who don't get what i mean, if you took the 3 elements put then in a bag and picked 2 of them out at random 20 times at least 1 time you would pick the diamond element. When you breed diamond with water or light your going to get a water or light fail. Not one time did i get either so it's like the diamond was never in the mix. So how is the diamond element added in to the breeding mix.

[Takiofallen]

Please do i am so lost at this point. I'm truly not sure how i would even conduct a proper experiment. If you have any ideas please let me know.
@ taikofallen

Good thinking. I mean I would have never came up with an idea like this.
I'd volunteer to help you experiment but nothing over about 2-3 days if we have a limited dragon out. If its a regular day, then maybe I'll do one week. So remember ask me to help experiment if it's a group. I'm not too hype on doing individual.

Anyways I want to ask kooky panda or any mods to look at this if you don't mind

[Takiofallen]

Hmmmmm not a single mod or TL staff comment and i know they have read this thread. Means 2 things
1. They have no intention of give us the basic.
2. They just don't care. The breeding follows a pattern that has no logical basic to it. We are MISS LEAD to believe things work in a way that it does not. It was ok to get word that names meant nothing but it did't help anyone breed better and it just cleaned up the forum from miscellaneous threads. I didn't know deception could be part of this game but you lean.

[hyper_ch]

The breeding follows a pattern that has no logical basic to it.

It's a computer program and since no true randomness can exist in computers, they have a logic basic even for breeding - we just aren't able to see it.

[Takiofallen]

I know they have there logic basic and it seems to be deception. We are lead to believe breeding works one way but it's not how it works. Half the people playing this game are probable use combinations that have a 0% chance of yielding the results they want.
It's a computer program and since no true randomness can exist in computers, they have a logic basic even for breeding - we just aren't able to see it.

[Takiofallen]

Thank you good sir i will check it out

[salinho]

It's a computer program and since no true randomness can exist in computers, they have a logic basic even for breeding - we just aren't able to see it.
Even if we were, only math cracks would understand them. And even so...x)

[Takiofallen]

With the knew 3 element dragon it makes it even harder to get a basic idea how breeding works. By using five elements now will it increase the chance of diamond? If we use a purebred of an element with the 3 element dragon can we bred a pure? I will they add 3 element common now. Ohh boy the {}has hit the fan

[hyper_ch]

With the knew 3 element dragon it makes it even harder to get a basic idea how breeding works. By using five elements now will it increase the chance of diamond? If we use a purebred of an element with the 3 element dragon can we bred a pure? I will they add 3 element common now. Ohh boy the {}has hit the fan

I adjusted my page for 3 element dragons. Please keep submitting your results. The more results we have the better a picture we get.

[ubobdgc]

2 years would make the results far too inaccurate, testing would have to be at least 5 years. minimum.

Two years is probably longer than the game will be around, it all depends on how well they appeal to the customers

[CrimsonCalamity]

OK TL i get the fact that there is a secret to the breeding in this game. There is a formula that decides how we get what we get, but can we get a basic idea on how breeding works. We are lead to believe that only 2 elements are chosen when breeding and from that we have a chance of get a particular result. This explains why when mixing 3 elements( lets use forest as the pure and magic/fire as the hybrid) we can end up with only they hybrid elements being used. If were were to place forest/magic and fire in a bag and picked 2 out at random we could pull out the magic/fire and breed from there.

OK fine that makes perfect sense. Now with using 4 elements again it works the same way except when breeding diamond it's like the 4 different elements that are in a bag all get pulled out which the result is diamond. OK, fine there but here is where you COMPLETELY loose me.

Lets say i deiced to use 2 hybrids of the same element. Lets go with a Familiar and a poison. So we take the elements and put them in the bag and pick them out at random. Now i should be able to pull out 2 forest elements to breed with because there are 2 there and it's random. If this is a case why when mixing we never can get a pure forest dragon or a pure magic? This tells me that the way we are lead to believe that breeding works is not the way it works....... So again i just want a basic guide line for breeding. When a magic element is put in the bag does it split in to a fire/water? Does it remain one element. How does a Diamond element breakdown?

Again i know there is a method to the madness. I don't want the madness i just want the basics.

In my experience with games, wikis always have correct and up to date information.
Magic and Magic makes Magic. Once fire and water are combined, it then becomes a single element. Magic should be treated like a forest or fire or water.

Breeding hybrids, with the exception of a Diamond, will never result in any single color dragon. I think this is done because if you are breeding a hybrid, team lava probably assumed you didn't want more single color dragons. This way there are less dragons you could possibly get, making the desired result more likely. For example, by breeding a Poison and a Poison, you can get another poison, a familiar, or zombie or witch (during the LE period, of course). But if you could also get forest or magic as well, you would have six dragon possibilities instead of 4 (or two when out of the LE period). That means when the LE are gone, there would only be two dragons you could get.

Diamonds are different. The breeding is specifically set to make it difficult. If you are lucky enough to even get a Diamond in the first place, they want to give you a break. Breeding a diamond with another single color can result only in a hybrid, or the single color. But they don't want it to be too easy, breeding diamond with a hybrid gives you all the colors possible with the patent hybrid as well. For example, a diamond and a parakeet dragon can result in a fruitful, a fairy, a parakeet, a gold, or a quetzal. But that makes sense since diamond breeding is a high chance of the non-diamond parent colors and a rare chance of a both-parent hybrid.

But if you happen to get two diamonds together, they don't want your job to be too easy. By the other rules, that could only result in a diamond. Therefore when two diamonds are involved, the rules change. Then the resuls can be either one of the six base color dragons, or a purebred diamond. By breaking down the diamond in this situation, they keep its ulta rare quality. I they didn't, anyone who happened to breed or buy two diamonds can make a whole island filled with them in a couple weeks.

[Takiofallen]

I know all of this but again simply because thats how the breeding works in the game but again if this is exactly how it is then T should have no problem making an official announcement about it. Just Have Pony state "the wiki calculator is 100% accurate." And there has been a recent incident where someone had a magic element break downhttp://forums.teamlava.com/showthread.php?39421-wierd-breed.....15hrs So that throws everything out the wind if the poster didn't make a mistake. Again it all comes down to the official word
In my experience with games, wikis always have correct and up to date information.
Magic and Magic makes Magic. Once fire and water are combined, it then becomes a single element. Magic should be treated like a forest or fire or water.

Breeding hybrids, with the exception of a Diamond, will never result in any single color dragon. I think this is done because if you are breeding a hybrid, team lava probably assumed you didn't want more single color dragons. This way there are less dragons you could possibly get, making the desired result more likely. For example, by breeding a Poison and a Poison, you can get another poison, a familiar, or zombie or witch (during the LE period, of course). But if you could also get forest or magic as well, you would have six dragon possibilities instead of 4 (or two when out of the LE period). That means when the LE are gone, there would only be two dragons you could get.

Diamonds are different. The breeding is specifically set to make it difficult. If you are lucky enough to even get a Diamond in the first place, they want to give you a break. Breeding a diamond with another single color can result only in a hybrid, or the single color. But they don't want it to be too easy, breeding diamond with a hybrid gives you all the colors possible with the patent hybrid as well. For example, a diamond and a parakeet dragon can result in a fruitful, a fairy, a parakeet, a gold, or a quetzal. But that makes sense since diamond breeding is a high chance of the non-diamond parent colors and a rare chance of a both-parent hybrid.

But if you happen to get two diamonds together, they don't want your job to be too easy. By the other rules, that could only result in a diamond. Therefore when two diamonds are involved, the rules change. Then the resuls can be either one of the six base color dragons, or a purebred diamond. By breaking down the diamond in this situation, they keep its ulta rare quality. I they didn't, anyone who happened to breed or buy two diamonds can make a whole island filled with them in a couple weeks.

[Takiofallen]

wow i need an edit button

[Takiofallen]

http://forums.teamlava.com/showthread.php?39421-wierd-breed.....15hrs

[PDAGuppies]

Hmmmmm not a single mod or TL staff comment and i know they have read this thread. Means 2 things
1. They have no intention of give us the basic.
2. They just don't care. The breeding follows a pattern that has no logical basic to it. We are MISS LEAD to believe things work in a way that it does not. It was ok to get word that names meant nothing but it did't help anyone breed better and it just cleaned up the forum from miscellaneous threads. I didn't know deception could be part of this game but you lean.

Sorry I didn't reply! I asked pony roar to read this but she wasn't a mod, shes more like a volunteer is what I figures out. I was infused about mods and volunteers. Anyways, I think she asked one of the mods to look at it. I'm not so sure tho

[CrimsonCalamity]

I know all of this but again simply because thats how the breeding works in the game but again if this is exactly how it is then T should have no problem making an official announcement about it. Just Have Pony state "the wiki calculator is 100% accurate." And there has been a recent incident where someone had a magic element break downhttp://forums.teamlava.com/showthread.php?39421-wierd-breed.....15hrs So that throws everything out the wind if the poster didn't make a mistake. Again it all comes down to the official word

I've seen that thread before and I'm anxious to see what results. It might have been a glitch or a mistake on the poster'sart. We will have to see.

Well do the mods get some sort of secret information from the people who made the breeding formula? I've only ever seen kooky panda modding this place and I guess mods are just upgraded users according to the FAQ. So unless they were told some super amazing secret their not allowed to share, how is anyone supposed to announce anything? Are the people who actually know the answer silently watching the forum and not answering?

[CrimsonCalamity]

I've seen that thread before and I'm anxious to see what results. It might have been a glitch or a mistake on the poster'sart. We will have to see.

Well do the mods get some sort of secret information from the people who made the breeding formula? I've only ever seen kooky panda modding this place and I guess mods are just upgraded users according to the FAQ. So unless they were told some super amazing secret their not allowed to share, how is anyone supposed to announce anything? Are the people who actually know the answer silently watching the forum and not answering?

Poster's part* I do not know what is wrong with my iPad's autocorrect. -_-

[sweetstuff525]

Sorry I didn't reply! I asked pony roar to read this but she wasn't a mod, shes more like a volunteer is what I figures out. I was infused about mods and volunteers. Anyways, I think she asked one of the mods to look at it. I'm not so sure tho

Pony roar is tl staff employee she gets paid
Unlike mods like kooky and greygull don't get paid they are mod volunteers

[Takiofallen]

Well the mods do help out by giving there free time. I was lead to believe that mods get information we don't because they have stated on many different occasion that Names. breeding order and gamer level and dragon level don't matter. In order that state this as fact you must know something. PonyRoar is a TL staff member and Official Confirmed that Names have no affect on breeding. The name thing was really big at one point until Pony cleared it up.
I've seen that thread before and I'm anxious to see what results. It might have been a glitch or a mistake on the poster'sart. We will have to see.

Well do the mods get some sort of secret information from the people who made the breeding formula? I've only ever seen kooky panda modding this place and I guess mods are just upgraded users according to the FAQ. So unless they were told some super amazing secret their not allowed to share, how is anyone supposed to announce anything? Are the people who actually know the answer silently watching the forum and not answering?

[Takiofallen]

And i pull up this thread again. Why has there not been one confirmed infinity breeding not involving a diamond or magic element? Inquiring minds want to know.

[itzjulezzz]

And i pull up this thread again. Why has there not been one confirmed infinity breeding not involving a diamond or magic element? Inquiring minds want to know.


The breeding calculator still comes up with infinity as a result without magic, but I've been working on ways to breed one the last two weeks now & I have asked any neighbors or rando's who have one & all have used either a diamond element in there (ex. diamond & diamond) or something with magic, usually the wizard but a few mistmoths. maybe it is possible without magic but less likely..?