Juice Machine Cost Analysis: this appliance is TOO EXPENSIVE!

[3squares]

Juice Machine Cost Analysis

Machine cost is 54,000

Profit per recipe (gross - cost = profit)

Orange Juice:
2,900 - 900 = 2,000
Cooking to mastery:
2,000 * 83 = 166,000

Apple Juice:
4,700 - 1,410 = 3,290
Cooking to mastery:
3,290 * 83 = 273,070

Cranberry Juice:
6,800 - 1,700 = 5,100
Cooking to mastery:
5,100 * 83 = 423,300

Net earnings from the sales of all three recipes, if you only cook to mastery:
166,000 + 273,070 + 423,300 = 862,370

If you buy 16 Juice Machines, your net profit will only be $1,630, unless you cook past mastery of the recipes.

If you buy more than 16 Juice Machines, you will have a net LOSS, unless you continue to cook the recipes past the point of mastery.

HTH

[bercause]

In my game, everything is doubled in cost, so the Juice Machine is 108,000 coins. I don't think you have it that bad. xD
But it is pretty expensive, for an appliance.

[sweetstuff525]

In my game, everything is doubled in cost, so the Juice Machine is 108,000 coins. I don't think you have it that bad. xD
But it is pretty expensive, for an appliance.

omg i wish tl will fix your double prices it isnt fair its ridiculous

[rusticjess]

Meh for me it doesn't matter. I have too many coins that I don't even have a use for...like a few million. so an appliance that is 54k or so isn't really gonna make a difference

[melby29]

Meh for me it doesn't matter. I have too many coins that I don't even have a use for...like a few million. so an appliance that is 54k or so isn't really gonna make a difference

Yeah, I'm the same. I just like having a new appliance to build, and new recipes to master. For anyone on a high enough level to have 16 appliances (So, around 68 I think?) they probably have soooo much food on their counters that it will take them a year to sell whatever they have make on the juice machine. So, during the mastery process they spend (900 + 1410 + 1710) x 83 = 333,660 coins to make the recipes, plus the price of the juice machines. So buying 16 would cost you 864,000 coins for the ovens, then the cost of the recipes would be another 333,660 coins. Your total outlay is 1,197,660 to EVENTUALLY get revenue of about 1.2 million.

As long as you cannot sell your food as fast as you can make it, to the point that it stockpiles up into the millions, it will NEVER be worth it to buy large numbers of new machines. That's where you have to evaluate your goals. If your goal is to earn gems quickly, buy as many as you can. If your goal is to make coins quickly, then don't buy multiple appliances. Master the new appliance recipes on one machine only.

Me? I'm somewhere in the middle. I'll buy a few of a new appliance, depending on how many recipes it makes, how pretty the recipes are, and how pretty the machines are.

[lilacpear]

Yeah, I'm the same. I just like having a new appliance [...]

Me? I'm somewhere in the middle. I'll buy a few of a new appliance, depending on how many recipes it makes, how pretty the recipes are, and how pretty the machines are.

I have a similar approach. I don't see the point in buying more than 5 units of the same appliance if said appliance only makes 3 recipes (or less!). I never did the math but I "eyeballed" it and arrived at the conclusion that multiple appliances are not profitable unless they contain more than ten recipes. I am especially appalled at appliances that cool only one recipe (!) or that cook recipes with a very low number of servings (!!) that require loads of hours to finish (!!!).

What I mean to say is that my appliance purchases depend heavily on the number and quality of the recipes the appliance contains, more than the actual cost of the appliance.

-lp

[lilacpear]

Argh! iPhone keyboard... I meant "cook" not "cool".

-lp

[3squares]

In my game, everything is doubled in cost, so the Juice Machine is 108,000 coins. I don't think you have it that bad. xD
But it is pretty expensive, for an appliance.

OMG so sorry you have to pay so much to play! That's crazy.

[3squares]

Yeah, I'm the same. I just like having a new appliance to build, and new recipes to master. For anyone on a high enough level to have 16 appliances (So, around 68 I think?) they probably have soooo much food on their counters that it will take them a year to sell whatever they have make on the juice machine. So, during the mastery process they spend (900 + 1410 + 1710) x 83 = 333,660 coins to make the recipes, plus the price of the juice machines. So buying 16 would cost you 864,000 coins for the ovens, then the cost of the recipes would be another 333,660 coins. Your total outlay is 1,197,660 to EVENTUALLY get revenue of about 1.2 million.

As long as you cannot sell your food as fast as you can make it, to the point that it stockpiles up into the millions, it will NEVER be worth it to buy large numbers of new machines. That's where you have to evaluate your goals. If your goal is to earn gems quickly, buy as many as you can. If your goal is to make coins quickly, then don't buy multiple appliances. Master the new appliance recipes on one machine only.

Me? I'm somewhere in the middle. I'll buy a few of a new appliance, depending on how many recipes it makes, how pretty the recipes are, and how pretty the machines are.

The maximum net profit from cooking these recipes 83 times (excluding the cost of the machines, and presuming you actually SELL YOUR FOOD) is 862,370. You then subtract the cost of the machines.

At level 45, and with 11 appliances, I'm not having any problems with stockpiling, but this might change. I can't cook one day recipes without selling out. Using Fec's "L" layout.

Many of my neighbors immediately jump to build as many of a new appliance as they have open slots. Doing so will get you those gems faster, but to me, it's not worth it, particularly when the cost of my next expansion is 3,000,000. Eleven of these machines would cost 594,000 to build!

I think many people just assume that the cost of the appliance doesn't matter, because they will be making so much money from selling the food. That is not the case with the Juice Machine. Why does TL continue to offer appliances that are potentially NOT profitable? IMO, to slow down game progress for those of us that are already "hooked".

Like lilacpear, I have limited myself to 5 each of the special appliances I have purchased. I have yet to purchase any "single recipe" appliance. It's going to take me awhile to collect some of those gems...

Has anyone done a cost analysis of the Candy Oven?

[melby29]

Revenue = sales. It's an accounting term, and since we are doing a profit analysis, I decided to use accounting terms.

My numbers are the same as yours. I have just grouped them differently.

[SweetTreats7777]

Great analysis. I don't buy more than 4 of any new appliance. It seems to be the standard now that the new appliances only have 3 recipes, so 4 appliances is enough. Some of these appliances are too expensive anyway! And I have not, nor will I, buy the appliances that only have one recipe. I am so thankful to the people that post info on the appliance and the recipes it cooks before I make a decision to buy it.

[extremecupcake]

I tend to buy only 3-4 of the new appliances too. We all must be geniuses cause we are thinking very similar :)

[3squares]

Great analysis. I don't buy more than 4 of any new appliance. It seems to be the standard now that the new appliances only have 3 recipes, so 4 appliances is enough. Some of these appliances are too expensive anyway! And I have not, nor will I, buy the appliances that only have one recipe. I am so thankful to the people that post info on the appliance and the recipes it cooks before I make a decision to buy it.

TYVM! Glad this helped.

[3squares]

Revenue = sales. It's an accounting term, and since we are doing a profit analysis, I decided to use accounting terms.

My numbers are the same as yours. I have just grouped them differently.

Thanks for increasing my vocabulary. :)

Have u analyzed the Candy Oven?

[shakiba]

Meh for me it doesn't matter. I have too many coins that I don't even have a use for...like a few million. so an appliance that is 54k or so isn't really gonna make a difference

Yes, same here. The max I buy for each appliance is 8 (excluding the regular oven and drink machine) so I won't be losing too much money, but I still agree why it has to be this expensive, it's difficult for some players, especially the new ones.

[melby29]

Thanks for increasing my vocabulary. :)

Have u analyzed the Candy Oven?

You're welcome :D

No, I have not done an analysis of the Candy Oven. I generally don't do the analyses, because I figure that I am going to buy no more than about 5 of them anyway.

As a rule, if maximising your profit is the main goal, then the maximum profit will come from having only 1 machine. Of course, that will mean one machine has to be used for 83 bakes for each recipe. The minimum profit (and in some cases, the maximum loss) will come from buying one new machine for each slot that you have. That's just where you have to figure out what your priorities are. "Gems at any cost" players will buy a machine for each slot. "Coins at any cost" will buy one only - or, even buy none and stick to machines where you can cook higher profit-per-serve recipes than what you can get on the new appliances.

BUT - because I like you, I will do a Candy Oven analysis, just for you.

In fact, if the Mods would like to create a sticky thread, I will do an analysis every time there is a new machine (and I can do them retrospectively) to illustrate the maximum and minimum profits for each machine, including the break-even point. If you are unfamiliar with that term, it is the number of machines that you need to have, so that if you buy one more machine, you no longer make a profit.

And all it will cost TL for me to do this, is 5 gems per recipe.

(Just kidding. I am too old to believe in Santa Claus)

[melby29]

Oh, and with the analysis, I would do it on the assumption that a player is interested in cooking only enough of each recipe to master them.

[trace35]

You don't believe in Santa?

[melby29]

You don't believe in Santa?
No.

Maybe that is why I get such creepy Christmas presents?

[trace35]

No.

Maybe that is why I get such creepy Christmas presents?

Lol! Creepy! Please elaborate?

[melby29]

Creepy. Like snakes and spiders :D

[melby29]

Candy Oven Analysis - this is the summary.

If you buy this many: Your net profit will be:
1 1,240,650
2 1,190,650
3 1,140,650
4 1,090,650
5 1,040,650
6 990,650
7 940,650
8 890,650
9 840,650
10 790,650
11 740,650
12 690,650
13 640,650
14 590,650
15 540,650
16 490,650
17 440,650
18 390,650
19 340,650
20 290,650
21 240,650
22 190,650
23 140,650
24 90,650
25 40,650
26 -9,350
27 -59,350
28 -109,350
29 -159,350
30 -209,350

[melby29]

That didn't carry over the format.

Hopefully it will make sense.

[cr4zy_eights]

The machine now cost 108,000 and the cost per plate has double. I think you actually lose money now.

[juicyjeni]

ok - here is my question. . . how do you buy so many of one appliance? I can only buy a new appliance every few levels I reach. I am currently at level 71 and can purchase my next appliance at level 73. When I am able to do this they only allow me to buy one appliance at a time. Am I doing something wrong here? And as for the expansion increase, etc. it took me forever to collect 4M+ coins and I was so close to my next expansion. Now I have to collect 12M to expand to 18x21. This makes me very sad. . . LoLzzzz

[Sugablast]

ok - here is my question. . . how do you buy so many of one appliance? I can only buy a new appliance every few levels I reach. I am currently at level 71 and can purchase my next appliance at level 73. When I am able to do this they only allow me to buy one appliance at a time. Am I doing something wrong here? And as for the expansion increase, etc. it took me forever to collect 4M+ coins and I was so close to my next expansion. Now I have to collect 12M to expand to 18x21. This makes me very sad. . . LoLzzzz

Hi. I realized a long time ago that I could store other appliances on my bakery floor *anytime* so then I could grab multiples of the newest apps. Nowadays, I'm constantly swapping apps in and out to fit with my schedules.

[kieranyeow]

Now The Fruit Juicer Needs 108,000 To Buy It!!!
How I Suppose To Do?
Too EXPENSIVE!!!

[nmishii]

I thought the juice machines were too expensive at $54K. I only bought 6, whereas if they were reasonably priced I would have bought 9-10. I have enough coins to buy more, but it was the principle - I wasn't going to buy a bunch of overpriced appliances.

I mastered OJ and Apple Juice. Cranberry Juice is $3860 to make, for a 6 hr recipe. That's kind of expensive.

[cr4zy_eights]

Agreed! That's why I quit when they uped the prices. 108K on an appliance is just Crazy. Actually all of it is crazy haha

[3squares]

Candy Oven Analysis - this is the summary.

If you buy this many: Your net profit will be:
1 1,240,650
2 1,190,650
3 1,140,650
4 1,090,650
5 1,040,650
6 990,650
7 940,650
8 890,650
9 840,650
10 790,650
11 740,650
12 690,650
13 640,650
14 590,650
15 540,650
16 490,650
17 440,650
18 390,650
19 340,650
20 290,650
21 240,650
22 190,650
23 140,650
24 90,650
25 40,650
26 -9,350
27 -59,350
28 -109,350
29 -159,350
30 -209,350

Sorry Melby, I just saw this. No sooner did you do the analysis then TL came along and changed the prices on us. Thanks for taking the time, anyway.

[Luna48]

Thanks, Melby, for this analysis. Sorry TL doubled the prices on everything (appliances and recipes). Can't imagine there's much net profit anywhere in bakeryland anymore and clearly there is no Santa Claus there either. Or maybe we have all been bad children and are getting coal and switches instead of lovely gifts. LOL

[Aileen_]

Looks like it only took that many posts for TL to change the prices: is there any recompense for the people that purchased it full price? And has anyone started complaining about how ridiculous the expansion prices are? It took me a month to save up for a 6 million expansion in bakery only to try and expand and find that it has been doubled. Has TL lost its mind?

[melby29]

Lost its mind? Absolutely.