Palm Dragon July 27 2018

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Palm Dragon

Needed for Act 2 Chapter 6 of the Sea Sages Dragon Tales

Breed Air and Nature

Breeding Time: 4 hours


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Got it after only one failure breeding Basilisk with Stone Spirit :)
I actually had to fulfill a Bingo task breeding White and Green so chose to try it with Basilisk and Stone Spirit just to see... luckily I did :D

[cat_chick10]

Got it on my second try!

[rramani85]

"cat_chick10"

Plz mention the dragons you got it with...

[skyharbor602]

Got it with Gold and Quetzal

[AnnirasSweets]

I started breeding for this as soon as it was released and I just now got it using Big Bad and Wildflower.

This one took me much longer than the usual DT Commons for me. I ended up getting several of each yellow+green fail possible (even 18hr Nymph!) but I kept getting Cactus and Parakeet the most. The Parakeets were a good fail I guess, since they've only got a 5 hour breeding/evolution time but are Super Rares, they're great for trading but now my Stable is full up and it'll be a while before I have room for more. With space so limited, I shove all the dragons I want to trade in there so it would be really nice if they'd increase the amount that our Stables can hold!

[Mostreal]

I, along with a number of other people got it with Cactus and Fruitful.

[Mouthbreather1]

Finally got it with Leaf and Cactus.
Edit: never mind, it was Loch Ness :(

[CastleCaring]

After 10 fails I'm probably too far behind for it to even matter but nothing is working. I am so sad that I lose out at the same place most of these tales. I did get the mantaray last time but it was the first time I was able to breed the common dragon. This time Palm is not happening.

[SHINeeFan23]

Thanks for the Cactus and Fruitful breeding. Got it on second try.

[CranberryMil]

i get a Diamond before the palm ._.

[FireballFarm]

It pretty obvious these "commom" Tales dragons are super rare during the event and then switched to common once the Tales is over. What I am wondering is if Apple's "loot box" guidelines apply to DS:

As of December 2017:
"Apps offering ‘loot boxes’ or other mechanisms that provide randomized virtual items for purchase must disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase.”

The dragons are for sale for in-app currency, S8 is messing with the odds to coerce players into buying them, and the breeding den is a mechanism that provides randomized results. It's gambling. The game uses the same type of algorithms as slot machines. Real money/in-app currency can be used to bypass the odds algorithm, to achieve a "win," whether it's by speed breeding or buying a dragon outright. Same with the Battle Arena fights- the odds algorithm for each fight can be bypassed by purchasing an Ultimate Attack. Or, you can purchase the tournament boss outright and skip gambling on 30 rounds of 'randomized' headache.

Other sites get the odds info from mining the game data, but the odds should be clearly listed within the app and easily accessible by all players. Several of my other iPad games have added probability lists over the past few months. S8 will never admit to manipulating the breeding odds. But, we players are not idiots. They need to show us the hard numbers - and Apple requires it of the developer.

[CranberryMil]

It pretty obvious these "commom" Tales dragons are super rare during the event and then switched to common once the Tales is over. What I am wondering is if Apple's "loot box" guidelines apply to DS:

As of December 2017:
"Apps offering ‘loot boxes’ or other mechanisms that provide randomized virtual items for purchase must disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase.”

The dragons are for sale for in-app currency, S8 is messing with the odds to coerce players into buying them, and the breeding den is a mechanism that provides randomized results. It's gambling. The game uses the same type of algorithms as slot machines. Real money/in-app currency can be used to bypass the odds algorithm, to achieve a "win," whether it's by speed breeding or buying a dragon outright. Same with the Battle Arena fights- the odds algorithm for each fight can be bypassed by purchasing an Ultimate Attack. Or, you can purchase the tournament boss outright and skip gambling on 30 rounds of 'randomized' headache.

Other sites get the odds info from mining the game data, but the odds should be clearly listed within the app and easily accessible by all players. Several of my other iPad games have added probability lists over the past few months. S8 will never admit to manipulating the breeding odds. But, we players are not idiots. They need to show us the hard numbers - and Apple requires it of the developer.

Do not apply, you dont buy anything randomized.

Even if you know the odds, there are not an authority , board or commission that certified that odds (like the ones for casinos or public lottery ). They can publish anything and do not comply with the odds

[AnnirasSweets]

Do not apply, you dont buy anything randomized.

Even if you know the odds, there are not an authority , board or commission that certified that odds (like the ones for casinos or public lottery ). They can publish anything and do not comply with the odds

I agree, there isn't anything in DS that would qualify as a Loot Box. BS and RS have the Mystery Boxes that might qualify but the odds of getting each prize are clearly listed on the forum so the only real s8 item I can think of that would count are the Chests in CS for certain events that drop a handful of random items (from coins to pets) or maybe the Spin to Win wheel if you spend gold for extra spins.

However, the fact is that we're purchasing all the above items with fake/alternate currency which I think means the items we purchase aren't eligible for the Loot Boxes guideline; there was detailed discussion on this guideline in the CS forum and that was the general consensus we came to.
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To keep this post on topic, it still astounds me that so many players struggle and are unable to get a Common dragon. Something really needs to be done about this! I can't think of any player who would be upset by the removal of half the current Common dragons. Throw up a limited time banner on the dragons and then take them away s8 and to stop this from happening again: each time a new Common is released, remove one from the market. It seems simple enough to do so I have no idea why they persist to have so many (was it 42 at last count?) active Commons when each week brings a new one. I really doubt taking away a portion of the current Commons would affect our breeding so much that we'd all be rolling in Diamonds and s8 would go bankrupt, ya know?

[[S8] Elsa]

It pretty obvious these "commom" Tales dragons are super rare during the event and then switched to common once the Tales is over. What I am wondering is if Apple's "loot box" guidelines apply to DS:

As of December 2017:
"Apps offering ‘loot boxes’ or other mechanisms that provide randomized virtual items for purchase must disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase.”

The dragons are for sale for in-app currency, S8 is messing with the odds to coerce players into buying them, and the breeding den is a mechanism that provides randomized results. It's gambling. The game uses the same type of algorithms as slot machines. Real money/in-app currency can be used to bypass the odds algorithm, to achieve a "win," whether it's by speed breeding or buying a dragon outright. Same with the Battle Arena fights- the odds algorithm for each fight can be bypassed by purchasing an Ultimate Attack. Or, you can purchase the tournament boss outright and skip gambling on 30 rounds of 'randomized' headache.

Other sites get the odds info from mining the game data, but the odds should be clearly listed within the app and easily accessible by all players. Several of my other iPad games have added probability lists over the past few months. S8 will never admit to manipulating the breeding odds. But, we players are not idiots. They need to show us the hard numbers - and Apple requires it of the developer.

No, this is false information. Common Dragons used in Dragon Tales are common and are not super rare.

[skyharbor602]

Since there's such a problem breeding "common" dragons during Tales or the dragon for the World Events then why not eliminate the tasks for both events instead of cutting and pasting for events over and over again? Also 43 common dragons are too many common dragons. About 20 need to be eliminated immediately. No more than 1 common dragon of the same elements should even be in the game. Leaf or Fruitful need to go - these got in the way of people breeding Palm. Neo Bubble needs to go - it gets in the way of breeding any black dragon.
On a side note: Great job on this dragon to whomever designed it. Palm and Hoot are beautiful for commons.

[deadpixel]

Since there's such a problem breeding "common" dragons during Tales or the dragon for the World Events then why not eliminate the tasks for both events instead of cutting and pasting for events over and over again? Also 43 common dragons are too many common dragons. About 20 need to be eliminated immediately. No more than 1 common dragon of the same elements should even be in the game. Leaf or Fruitful need to go - these got in the way of people breeding Palm. Neo Bubble needs to go - it gets in the way of breeding any black dragon.
On a side note: Great job on this dragon to whomever designed it. Palm and Hoot are beautiful for commons.

Personally I feel that the requirement to breed a dragon, common or otherwise, adds to events. The anticipation and frustration of the breeding makes an otherwise ho-hum event more fun.

However, I do agree that there are way too many common dragons and fell that many of these should just be limited to the events that require them. It's all good and fun when you're a new Dragon Keeper and every pairing brings you a new dragon, but for players who've been banging at it since the dawn of Dragon Story it gets to be a real drag seeing your hundredth Leaf or New England or Awoken or Enamored, etc. Then again I had a smile that lit up my home for a week when I finally managed to breed a Medusa Dragon; I'd been trying on and off for one since it first came out years ago :D

[ksbmommy]

I don't mind the requirement to breed a common BUT BUT BUT BUT please consider looking at the existing common dragons and see our frustration.

1. There are TOO many commons right now with way too LONG fail times (i.e Island). Please take a look at reducing the breeding and hatching time of some of these dragons to something more manageable.

2. There are way too many commons that have outlived a useful purpose that newer players can craft through the codex (i.e. Enamoured, New England, snow elf, etc.). Please remove them already. This would reduce the number of commons for certain color combos.

3. The cost to buy these new common dragons for a limited time is just way too much gold. The older commons are in the market for 50 gold, not sure why all the new commons have to be so expensive?!?

My two cents.......

[CranberryMil]

I don't mind the requirement to breed a common BUT BUT BUT BUT please consider looking at the existing common dragons and see our frustration.

1. There are TOO many commons right now with way too LONG fail times (i.e Island). Please take a look at reducing the breeding and hatching time of some of these dragons to something more manageable.


Long time commons are the most cost effective commons to get silver for new players i feel that S8 must lower the posibility of having reapeated commons , so if you don have a island you get one, but if you have one you get other commons instead or as you level up, you get less commons until your only option to get one is buy it in the shop (for silver )



2. There are way too many commons that have outlived a useful purpose that newer players can craft through the codex (i.e. Enamoured, New England, snow elf, etc.). Please remove them already. This would reduce the number of commons for certain color combos.


This commons are for new player to learn how to get the composed type, if you dont know the combination, you can get the common and start breeding the pure ones


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3. The cost to buy these new common dragons for a limited time is just way too much gold. The older commons are in the market for 50 gold, not sure why all the new commons have to be so expensive?!?
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i feel that all commons must get his prices on silver pieces , or maybe the caretakers coins freshly implemented