KillPhil08[QVNSM] - Money Saving Ideas

[KillPhil08]

KillPhil08 - QVNSM

This was written ages ago but the idea still holds:

Right.

Let's say you are on level 18 - the max someone can take off you is 36000ish dollars.

Assuming you are being attacked every hour you lose 36000 per hour.

Now, if your income is greater than $360,000ish then there is NO POINT in depositing money into the bank. Why?

The bank charge is 10% every deposit, assuming your income x 0.1 > money-taken-during-attack then you are saving money.

My max attack charge is 36000 and my income is around 2million. Therefore any time i am attacked I save 170000 dollars just by NOT depositing money into the bank.

However, if you have a decent enough defence you can stop 80% if not more of attacks saving even more. However they would rally the attacks.

Still point is, if you income x 0.1 > lvl-attackcharge. Then don't deposit into the bank.

Have you guys got any money saving tips?


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Idea goes further:

I am now level 58 with an income of 76mil and an upkeep of 13mil.

Each attack I defend can lose 2.166m from.

I have full army with 2nd highest defence from Aircraft carriers. Therefore I only lose 1 in 20 attacks on me.

However, if I was to strip away my army, and get attacked every hour I would lose:

2.166m x 24 = 51mil per day

but I'd be saving:

13 x 24 = 312mil per day

= Total saving; 261mil a day.

Now I know not a lot of people like the idea of losing battles and such forth, but I did this when I was level 22 and I managed to increase my income rapidly. That extra 261mil a day would produce 300-400k extra every hour for me.

I'd like to see what you guys think. I'm tempted to either strip away my full army, or keep it and camp this level.

Either way, since I'm not attacking I'm unlikely to be sanctioned (and If i am I'll have enough to build an army anyways), that's the only flaw I can see apart from losing the win:loss battle ratio.

Please add some more ideas :).

KillPhil08 - QVNSM

[Brian]

Three words: use the vault

[KillPhil08]

Two words: Stop Trollin'.

Add something USEFUL to the thread and READ the concept. You obviously didn't even read the post, if your first reply is "use the vault".

[kiwi]

Three words: use the vault
Three words: do the maths

[Grenzen]

I would be curious to see what you have for defense. I am a level 14 Bringing in 3.6Mil. I get attack almost every hour mulitpul time. Yet I have not lost in quite a while. My only upkeep is 77 Navel Destroyers for my Alliance of 24.

I have 15 Attack and 16 Defense.

I don't use the Vault at all anymore. Loosing that 10% just kills you. I would stick where you are right now and bulk up on Defense. Just my thoughts.

He are my building right now.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/WhiteLeo/photo.jpg

[Supervolcano]

KillPhil08,

I'm confused about this one attack per hour thing.
If your health is full, you can be attacked 10 times in ONE MINUTE.
What am I not understanding about your system?

[KillPhil08]

KillPhil08,

I'm confused about this one attack per hour thing.
If your health is full, you can be attacked 10 times in ONE MINUTE.
What am I not understanding about your system?

After that initial attack 100>[27-5], it usually takes around 1 hour to become under attack again.

When you are signed on, you attack people to lose health again. Hence your always below 27 health...after the initial phase of reducing yourself from 100.

[Supervolcano]

After that initial attack 100>[27-5], it usually takes around 1 hour to become under attack again.

When you are signed on, you attack people to lose health again. Hence your always below 27 health...after the initial phase of reducing yourself from 100.
I knew that answer, but no where was health mentioned in your post, so I thought I'd make you say it.
;)
Might want to add that part in there or something because as it reads now it's very deceptive to the readers who get their whole bankroll farmed every hour.

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As for your personal situation...

When I go into camping mode (like right now), and know I don't plan to be attacking anyone for a long time (maybe a month or 2 for me right now) I sell off my offense to maximize my hourly earnings BUT I keep my entire defense because my win/loss ratio (to me personally) is what the game is all about.

To make a wise decision whether to sell your offense or not requires coming up with a plan for exactly how long you are going to be camping out and comparing that to what profit you would gain during that same timeframe with the upkeep costs ... plus of course the cost of re-adding your offense again after your done camping.

To make a wise decision on selling defense or not requires thinking about what your "main objective" is for this game. If it's simply to level up as fast as possible, then I suppose scrapping the defense isn't a bad idea .... but carefully think about this because like for me, my 660 aircraft carriers are only costing about 10M in upkeep, while my gross is 50M ... meaning I still have a substantial amount of income already that I'm building from ... which means I can afford the "opportunity loss" to keep my win/loss percentage intact.

But all of this is just my opinion.
:D

[Conflicted]

I already do that :P

Unless I get sanctioned like 10x in a row >.<

[Qwertyuiopas89]

I like how you showed the math instead of just saying vault iz bad ;)

[unison999]

I see people like you described as "people who just asking to be farmed", I would sanction them so I have their name in my comment area and keep attacking them till they die. I would then take note of when they get money and when they are investing that money, that is when I attack.
Now I am too high a level anyways but that is what I would do if I have similar level as the "farmed" person.

[kiwi]

my 660 aircraft carriers are only costing about 10M in upkeep, while my gross is 50M ... meaning I still have a substantial amount of income already that I'm building from ... which means I can afford the "opportunity loss" to keep my win/loss percentage intact.So you are spending $240m a day (not taking into account the money you could EARN if you invested in income buildings)... to protect a statistic?

[goodboy]

I see people like you described as "people who just asking to be farmed", I would sanction them so I have their name in my comment area and keep attacking them till they die. I would then take note of when they get money and when they are investing that money, that is when I attack.
Now I am too high a level anyways but that is what I would do if I have similar level as the "farmed" person.

lol I would sanction you to bits lol if you did that too me,ive never went easy on someone who sanctions me :) I sanction 5 mill 5 times than i wait till their off line and 5 more BUT GOOD PLAN LOL YOU GET a thumbs ^(up)

[soulpwner]

So you are spending $240m a day (not taking into account the money you could EARN if you invested in income buildings)... to protect a statistic?
Why not? It's his choice in placing priority to preserving his own win-loss record.

[WWmark]

Yeah, what soulpwner said.

[Supervolcano]

To me, the win/loss percentage is EVERYTHING the game is about.

The amount of money and current level your at is simply a measurement of how long you've been playing the game (or amount of real cash you spent to play).

[kiwi]

Pfft, I would happily lose 100 battles if I knew I could win the next 200 with superior weapons. :)

[Blownapart]

Camp as early as possible (around lvl 40, after having received the Nuclear Testing Facility) and invest in income buildings as early as possible. It is a bit like starting to save for your pension - the earlier you start, the more you get out at the other end.

[tresbon]

I've only got four allies... in a lower level of course. it keeps my upkeep way down.

not sure how long i can keep it that low, tho. i'm thinking around level 25 i'll have to move up to 9 allies.

[MS2TP]

There is a way to vault all your money without losing any, but unless you are at a really low level, you would have to be crazy, or have no life. The solution is simple: deposit 9 coins at a time. It does work, but imagine vaulting millions every hour. By the time you were done, your next 'paycheck' would have come in, and you'd repeat the process all over again.

[KillPhil08]

There is a way to vault all your money without losing any, but unless you are at a really low level, you would have to be crazy, or have no life. The solution is simple: deposit 9 coins at a time. It does work, but imagine vaulting millions every hour. By the time you were done, your next 'paycheck' would have come in, and you'd repeat the process all over again.

cool story bro

[Unregistered]

There is a way to vault all your money without losing any, but unless you are at a really low level, you would have to be crazy, or have no life. The solution is simple: deposit 9 coins at a time. It does work, but imagine vaulting millions every hour. By the time you were done, your next 'paycheck' would have come in, and you'd repeat the process all over again.

Coders make a script :) LOL

[Sweetie]

I see people like you described as "people who just asking to be farmed", I would sanction them so I have their name in my comment area and keep attacking them till they die. I would then take note of when they get money and when they are investing that money, that is when I attack.
Now I am too high a level anyways but that is what I would do if I have similar level as the "farmed" person.

Unison how can you tell when your target is getting paid?

[rabbit69]

wow weeee what to do what to do

[wackanoob]

It takes 3(?) minutes to restore health one point. That is a maximum of 440 Health Points in a day.

A winning battle takes away, lets say to maximize the argument, 18 health.

That is 5 attacks away from full health. After that you can be attacked every 51 minutes. That makes tha maximum number of attacks in a day (given you dont heal yourself) around 28+5, or 33 attacks in a day (if someone is stalking the hell out of you). Round that up to 35.


The idea the OP states, is that IF your upkeep is larger than the amount you would lose from either banking or attacks, then you should camp with no upkeep.



Here is the SIMPLE math:

Maximum number of attacks per Day = 35
Cost to Vault = I*2.4 (vault 24 income periods a day)
Money lost in most successful attack = L
Upkeep per Hour over a day (upkeep*24) = U
The chances of losing any given attack = A
The chances of being attacked any of the 35 possible times = B
The chances of losing any given attack without unit defense = A!
The chances of being attacked any of the 35 possible times without unit defense = B!


Now, what most people do NOT understand is that the likelihood of losing a battle is not the same as the likelihood of losing any single battle. For example, It is rare to see zero farmers. Once one finds you, they often keep at it.

So, you might win 90% of fights with individuals, but your likely to fight that ten% much more often. Say, he attacks 4 times when the losers only fight you once. That means your likelihood of losing is actually over 30%. (win 9 fights out of 13).




So, basically, what we are looking at, mathematically, is

IF
I*2.4 > 35*B*A*L
You should not bank

In my case
$360,000,000 is larger than 35*.015(I get attacked once every other day)*.04(I win vs 99% of people I fight)*$2,000,000
$360Mill > $420,000 True.
I should not bank.

Also
IF
U*24>35*B!*A!*L
Then you should not have upkeep

In my case
84,000,000 > 35*.75 (most people will skip over you anyway, still might be high)*.8(I have strong building defense)*2,000,000
84,000,000 > 42,000,000
I should not have upkeep

THEN:
IF
35*B!*A!*L>(I+(U/24))*2.4
you should forgo upkeep AND Bank
42,000,000>368,400,000
I should not bank







It is risky, but lets say the most you can possibly lose is 5 million per battle, and you can lose the maximum 35 battles a day.
If your goal is maximizing income, you would need to be spending $175,000,000 on upkeep to ensure you were making the correct choice. :eek:




Either way, Winn loss is far more importaint than how much money I have (what is the point of the game if you are just going to sit around getting goo'd on like a porn star?)

[wackanoob]

So you are spending $240m a day (not taking into account the money you could EARN if you invested in income buildings)... to protect a statistic?

You do know that your income is just a statistic, right? You dont get any real money when you increase your income.

Everything in the game is a statistic. I also would rather win all my fights and give up a small bit of future income. The alternative is lose most fights and increase income a small amount faster.

Both are statistics... :rolleyes: