New Hitlist/Sanction limits implemented for all Storm8 games

[VanillaStorm]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

[dragonhighlord]

so whats the new limit

[creekmuskogee]

What is the new limit going to be? What exactly does this mean for the average player?

[medevilspawn]

Specifically, what are the actual changes. That might help with getting feedback.

[bloodlust2009]

ok - what I am seeing - lower level "mini" accounts are getting the message " You have put too many people on the hit list today. Please try again tomorrow." after only listing about 15-25 times? Not even a Max? So a low level player can only list one player a about 15-25 times per day? What??? That puts the death seekers out of business. Clan wars out of business. I was listing a farmer for a friend with my other accounts. The only thing I see this helping out is farmers. Making it farmer to make them stop farming a person. It also takes the fun out of hit list for bounty hunters.

Another Major mistake by S8.

[voldemory]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!



Could you maybe explain what you have done? Quite often you make changes, and we have to usually work out through trial and error work out what was changed.

What limits exist on being on the hitlist/death list etc?

How many can a player Hl someone, and how people can they Hl? Is there any lvl limits, other than the "can't Hl til lvl 7" rule?


Thanks. Would make it alot easier for uses.

[bloodlust2009]

If you limit low levels to one max per day - lets hope they only ever have to deal with ONE farmer.

You must going to force people to make MORE minis.

[Janer]

Terrible terrible day for this game, absolutely ludicrous.
Please complain to this thread.

http://forums.storm8.com/showthread.php?p=623899#post623899

[Janer]

and how can you ask for feedback when you didn't even say what teh limits were my 2nd and 3rd low accounts were globalled after a measly few, this [removed] up clan wars and the like...
Why S8 why? :mad:

[Janer]

A comment in my clan room...


'Someone hit the nail on the head there . Doing this to stop minis isn't gonna work. Ppl will just have to make ****ing loads more '

[dleimberg]

Terrible. You guys are making the game soft. The point of the game is attacking and killing and being killed by enemies.. Lets change the name of the games to peace and love live.

Ps thanks for skill point reallocation. I hear you guys only listen to the whiners on here .. So here i am forced to whine :(

[alexiaanonymous]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

This really makes me not want to play anymore . Every week your changing something but continue asking for money for this and that maybe if the game was more suitable to is we'd spend more money all your doing is pushing us away u guys suck

[alexiaanonymous]

This really makes me not want to play anymore . Every week your changing something but continue asking for money for this and that maybe if the game was more suitable to is we'd spend more money all your doing is pushing us away u guys suck
Everyone should stop crying it's an attack game stop trying to put a
Limit on everything what next limits on logging in  :eek:

[Janer]

God bless the old days when hitlisting was unlimited, s8 used to offer special LP offers and they also upgraded the game, they still demand our money for the dross it is now, loyal customers since May 2009 deserve more.

[JackieStewart]

Come on guys this is a WAR GAME not a school yard for 3rd graders! The 200 a day/ 25 per account was bad enough!! But now your limiting it even more!? BAD BAD BAD idea! How can you now really battle? Why not add pom pom girls to the weapons list!

[kaojames1688]

Seriously, world war officially became pets live :@

[Tempest4]

Why ask for our feedback if you already did the change? You do not care.:(

Are you going to change it back, if all agree it was a stupid, idiotic idea? I doubt it.
You do not care.:(

You guys have made several stupid, idiotic changes and ask for feedback, yet never changed them back when majority ruled and said those were stupid, idiotic changes.
You do not care.:(

[PISKA]

Doesn't affect me. At all. It's stupid to mass-sanc, anyway. Just is.

However, perhaps a better option would be to limit how many times a person could be listed a day, period. Not that someone can only list him/her 25 times per day, but period - he/she can be only listed, say, 4 times per 60-minute period. Now THAT would make for fun gameplay.

(now watch everyone start screaming it's a terrible suggestion as this will not allow for their dumbly listing someone over and over and over again)

:)

[PISKA]

If you limit low levels to one max per day - lets hope they only ever have to deal with ONE farmer.

You must going to force people to make MORE minis.

Um. "Farming" is not exactly against the rules. You really should stop looking at spam-sanctions as a way to battle "farming". Build a stronger account. Keep your health down. Work around it.

As a farmer, if someone hitlists me - I just farm MORE and bring my friends. :D

[jimbo68]

these rules are terrible your jus enablin more farming and trash talk i will not spend anymore real money on any s8 games from this point forward..

[medcherk]

This isn't good at all, I can't max more then 3 ppl per day!! What's next we can only use the attack button 10 times per day?? Come on what kinda change is this, how do we fight ww like that?

[candip]

I have played this game fir over two years. Have made many friends thru it. You are constantly changing the game. Its hard enough we have to play on version 1.5. Now limitation of sanctions? First we could only global 8 people a day, now at level 135 i can only sanct 135 times? That is STUPID! Folks ur ruining a very good game! Continue and ill sell my account or retire! This is a fun game that yes i would pay for but the powers that be at s8 have ruined it now with this. Please revert it back to the way it was 2 years ago. Stoney

[peaceyoyo]

Good change....End the low level sanction account.

[chippymunk]

OK I'm angry now. My biggest complaint about s8 is the secrecy regarding every aspect of play. I'm sympathetic to limiting the lister bots and thought the 200 lists/12 hour program was a good one even though you never told anyone what exactly that was either even after the fact.

I'm in an organized family and we do pitching and batting as THE fundamental strategy of game play. We accept newer/lower players and teach them the game as pitchers while they grow their accts to be killers later. I tried to hitlist some people on my level 7 mini account last night and was able to manage SIX TOTAL LISTS. I assumed this was just a temporary glitch and didn't think much of it but today I see "some changes to hitlisting" have been implemented.

I am ASSUMING now that what has been done is that max hitlisting is on a sliding scale per level. Grrrrr I sure wish you'd come out and say what the change is. IF that is the case, now you will be forcing our low levels to choose between building their account low which is what they WANT to do, and leveling past their low incomes which they may NEED to do to keep playing 'for real'. Man you guys really can fail to grasp how people use your game.

So am I to assume now that all the lower levels in our family have been completely shut down? They already get a hard enough time for being low levels in the first place, now they are incapable of doing the ONE thing they were good at before??

Guys, you shut down the trons and mofos already they're done. I know there are other people using programs out there but they're isolated and not affecting general game play. This is basically a "lowest common denominator" regulation that will honestly destroy half our members' game play. We may as well just kick them out because all they will be able to do is 'social club' stuff which ain't gonna cut it in a warring family.

Very bad move, and terrible way of presenting it s8. Asking what people think AFTER the fact and NOT even telling them what the changes are - too too typical unfortunately, propagating "the membership's" biggest complaints about s8 implementing a really terrible move.

[talonhawk]

Its bad enough already in other games like racing kingdoms pets ninjas etc to get kills and knockouts and paybacks etc hardly anyone is ever on the list so your going to hurt those games even more with this new cap? I can maybe see this cap for Imob and maybe even WW to counter the mofo and tron clans, im sure u guys get 1000's of emails about people crying about them, but in the other games your going to make them suffer also? i think a better idea would be to look at it by a game by game basis instead of all accross the entire board of games. Maybe keep the limits to just LOW LEVELS once you hit level 25-50 then have that listing cap go out the window and back to the 25 per acct 200 a day cap. I have spent about 5k on s8 last 2yrs, i suggest you start listneing to the people filling your pockets and not the people crying there getting hurt in a free game.

[fallenwarrior]

This is sad news...the number of hitlists seems to depend on the lvl of the account... S8 has literally leached out the fun from these War games... Attacking and defending attacks is the motto of the game but hitlist is valuable specially when your opponent is too low or high... This game is kinda dead for the Clans and the death chasers... Disappointing... S8 keeps on introducing rules in response to whiners and trons alike... This affects regular players like us.. BTW my game style is based on riding the hitlist...

[chippymunk]

Word of this is spreading like wildfire in the fams and people are very seriously unhappy about it. Be prepared for a flood of hate mail.

[fallenwarrior]

OK I'm angry now. My biggest complaint about s8 is the secrecy regarding every aspect of play. I'm sympathetic to limiting the lister bots and thought the 200 lists/12 hour program was a good one even though you never told anyone what exactly that was either even after the fact.

I'm in an organized family and we do pitching and batting as THE fundamental strategy of game play. We accept newer/lower players and teach them the game as pitchers while they grow their accts to be killers later. I tried to hitlist some people on my level 7 mini account last night and was able to manage SIX TOTAL LISTS. I assumed this was just a temporary glitch and didn't think much of it but today I see "some changes to hitlisting" have been implemented.

I am ASSUMING now that what has been done is that max hitlisting is on a sliding scale per level. Grrrrr I sure wish you'd come out and say what the change is. IF that is the case, now you will be forcing our low levels to choose between building their account low which is what they WANT to do, and leveling past their low incomes which they may NEED to do to keep playing 'for real'. Man you guys really can fail to grasp how people use your game.

So am I to assume now that all the lower levels in our family have been completely shut down? They already get a hard enough time for being low levels in the first place, now they are incapable of doing the ONE thing they were good at before??

Guys, you shut down the trons and mofos already they're done. I know there are other people using programs out there but they're isolated and not affecting general game play. This is basically a "lowest common denominator" regulation that will honestly destroy half our members' game play. We may as well just kick them out because all they will be able to do is 'social club' stuff which ain't gonna cut it in a warring family.

Very bad move, and terrible way of presenting it s8. Asking what people think AFTER the fact and NOT even telling them what the changes are - too too typical unfortunately, propagating "the membership's" biggest complaints about s8 implementing a really terrible move.

I totally agree with you.... our low level friends have been practically shut down.

[PISKA]

...but hitlist is valuable specially when your opponent is too low or high...

I call your bluff!

1. If your opponent is low enough that you can't hit them and STILL wins over you, then you should rethink your strategy, not hitlist him/her. Why would you need to sanction him/her?

2. If opponent is too high, he/she can't hit you direct. Why would you need to sanction them?

[520pink]

I am very upset at this rule. I'm a lower level (18) and a camper. This means that I can only bl up to 18 times a day. Not per person, but 18 lists total! I understand the need to stop the MINI's but I believe this will encourage MORE MINI's! It is not hard to get to level 20 and if you only have 20's a day, you'll make more mini's to attack other clans/enemies. As for me, it encourages me to level up because I become ineffective in supporting my clan. So for those who play by the rules, they get punished, and for those who break the rules, they'll break it even more.

[520pink]

I am very upset at this rule. I'm a lower level (18) and a camper. This means that I can only bl up to 18 times a day. Not per person, but 18 lists total! I understand the need to stop the MINI's but I believe this will encourage MORE MINI's! It is not hard to get to level 20 and if you only have 20's a day, you'll make more mini's to attack other clans/enemies. As for me, it encourages me to level up because I become ineffective in supporting my clan. So for those who play by the rules, they get punished, and for those who break the rules, they'll break it even more.

[PISKA]

God bless the old days when hitlisting was unlimited, s8 used to offer special LP offers and they also upgraded the game, they still demand our money for the dross it is now, loyal customers since May 2009 deserve more.

Game was rather different then, too. People did not script, had one account (mostly), the top unit was an aircraft carrier, for heaven's sake. We had - what? - two 200s?

And their accounts were horrible, btw.

We didn't have a bunch of bullies thinking they get to decide who plays the game and who doesn't play the game by intimidating them. The higher levels actually helped CONSTRUCTIVELY, rather than hide in the shadows till they build their chiapet and suddenly appear out of the shadows a 200+ with 4 losses. Of course they can teach you nothing but sanctioning.

Play it straight.

[neo2455]

Mobs used to be so much more fun before people started CRYING to S8 about being hitlisted on an IMOBSTERS game!!!! Whats the point in being a mobster if you cant hitlist people??? I am VERY upset with this change!!! Whats the point in the 25 limit you already started for the CRYBABIES in a game and the 200 total limit?!?! That itself was CRAZY now this!!? If you are catering to crybabies, well here I am crying about your limits!!:( :( :( PLEASE change this back ... If people dont want to be hitlisted I suggest they play other Storm8 games such as Pets Live !! Whats next are you going to take away the hitlist ?!?! Maybe put in a Flower Shop ??? This is obsurd :mad:

[soviet]

Doesn't affect me. At all. It's stupid to mass-sanc, anyway. Just is.

However, perhaps a better option would be to limit how many times a person could be listed a day, period. Not that someone can only list him/her 25 times per day, but period - he/she can be only listed, say, 4 times per 60-minute period. Now THAT would make for fun gameplay.

(now watch everyone start screaming it's a terrible suggestion as this will not allow for their dumbly listing someone over and over and over again)

:)

@PISKA
screaming?
why do you think you would always be in the middle of attention by default?
nothing affects you cause/and you're the master brain of the game? you define what is stupid?
sanctioning is a way of fighting or a way of getting attention.
since may 2009, s8 only gave us LIMITS of using the game (except that sad try with desert version which lasted for a couple of weeks). s8 GAVE us nothing. anything creative, new, interesting. only limits. bold capslock italic underline.
s8 maybe wanted to cut spam sanctions, but instead, bots factories will be manufacturing 24/7. finally, server will crash. remember something called broadcast message in the game?
anyway, since the game is all about NUMBERS (w/l ratio), this change will be a plus only for higher levels (which give s8 most of the money), and how to inflict any damage to higher levels?
greed, like supervulcano deifned it.
imagine SOLO player being hit while camping. he is supposed to do what?
give more money to s8 so he can be stonger? ah, yes, i forgot. he could ask piska for help.

[dew1980]

Spend some [removed] money your making off of favor points and pc accounts and buy new servers,and put it how it used to be with open broadcast and unlimited mobbies and take that damn capp off and your ratings would go through the roof again.hmmm but no that's just too hard to fathom...but it is a good thought ..bigger servers=more players=more money =everyones happy....period.....period. 0ℳΞℜŦλ☆λŁℳ₮Ϋ★ÜΠĐΞℜ B★₴₴☆

[PISKA]

@PISKA
...and how to inflict any damage to higher levels?


You're not inflicting damage to the higher level players. They're surfing. Lest you didn't notice.

imagine SOLO player being hit while camping. he is supposed to do what?

Keep health down. Take and occasional loss. No one said you're supposed to not get hit when camping so that after you're done YOU can hit others. That's just odd to me. I don't understand why you feel that hitting a camper is icky. WHY????????

[kzflorida]

you didn't state the motivation for this change.
and my thought on the subject is: Bad Decision, change it back.
You rarely poll your users prior to making stupid changes, have you ever heard of focus groups, or NGT?

The nominal group technique (NGT) is a decision making method for use among groups of many sizes, who want to make their decision quickly, as by a vote, but want everyone's opinions taken into account (as opposed to traditional voting, where only the largest group is considered) [1] . The method of tallying is the difference. First, every member of the group gives their view of the solution, with a short explanation. Then, duplicate solutions are eliminated from the list of all solutions, and the members proceed to rank the solutions, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on.

Some Facilitators will encourage the sharing and discussion of reasons for the choices made by each group member, thereby identifying common ground, and a plurality of ideas and approaches. This diversity often allows the creation of a hybrid idea (combining parts of two or more ideas), often found to be even better than those ideas being initially considered.

In the basic method, the numbers each solution receives are totaled, and the solution with the lowest (i.e. most favored) total ranking is selected as the final decision. There are variations on how this technique is used. For example, it can identify strengths versus areas in need of development, rather than be used as a decision-making voting alternative. Also, options do not always have to be ranked, but may be evaluated more subjectively.

[dew1980]

Storm8 if your reading this just tell all the crybabies calling y'all up to stay in er and get autobank if they don't like the hitlist ,or better yet quit playing. if there going to cry about it tell them to go beat angry birds first.but don't change the damn game..

[jacwez]

does this mean that the max of 25 on one person is also gone/

[thefuelfan]

Storm8 are doing their best to ruin world war. The sanction
Limits that were already in place were perfect IMO.
Whether you were giving or receiving the sanctions, I
Really felt the previous formula worked great.
A big thumbs down to S8, PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK!

[wazzamcc]

:mad::confused:why, game was not really suffering because of hitlisting (which has clamed down without new rules), should we not be doing more to stop the continuing spam, which i see on walls everywhere???...

[ilyana65]

I for one agree this is a very bad move. I am no longer interested in this game as I have low level accounts across the board after reseting. I will be contacting S8 directly for a refund for the loyalty points I just recently purchased. And if I ever decide to come back to the game S8 will not get another penny from me. While I agree farming is part of the game listing the farmer was a way of fighting back. I have farming accounts in some games and lister accounts in others. But S8 has now implemented rules that will bring down clans/families and make the game miserable and frustating for low level first time players.

[simplejosh]

Of course Janer, the king/queen of mini's is gonna cry about this.... boooohoooooooooooooo.

[corbo55]

Ok, can someone from storm8 be more specific about this topic please? Ya started something based on non-specific information and this affects everything.

[sparky013]

Absolutely ridiculous!!! First the ability to purchase skill points, which makes it almost imposible for a player that doesn't spend money on the game to be competitive! Now this hitlist limit, not happy ;(

[iproo10]

You made changes but they are not working correctly in Kingdoms! When attacking someone on bounty list it says they have been removed? Ok, refresh and still there? Attack again says there removed already? Huh? Last night I tried attacking over 100 times with 1 successful attack? That's crap! Not only that there is one player in particular I tried to attack 37 times all saying he has already been killed? Unless more than one player was listing him how would I see that many times unless when their killed they are not getting removed from list now with your changes?

Second, I have a so called farmer that wins maybe 60% of the time. We are both level 109 so 545 ally and items per tab can be used. I was running just attack but in armor category the attack has 67 defense per unit. I wanted rid him so added 545 defensive units just in armor category that have 105 defense. So 105 minus 67 I'm adding 38 def per unit times 545 equal 20,710 defense added. Neither of us have leveled and he mad no changes in equipment. What do you think the outcome is? In past that would have been enough that he would not be able to beat me except maybe a luck hit. No not now!!!!! He went from winning 60% of the time to 40%????? What gives S8?

[AngelicusNocturna]

Storm 8.... Not that you ever pay attention to feedback but can I ask why you have decided to ruin the games? Not content with capping the maxes you now have linked to level? Meaning all people will do is create mini accounts to max people. True gamers are sick of the hitlist changes... Unless you're setting up so people will spend more cash to level but this will now make the hitlist redundant. Alot of old school players are quitting already so if you're implementing this to keep customers- you're going about it totally wrong!! Feed back from my clan is remove the cap altogether and use the hitlist hiw it was intended and stop messing things around!!!

[mukwa]

That's bs. 25 worked just fine

[poohbear9606]

You can only sanc the amount your lvl is. So if you are a 10 sanc account you can only sanc 10times per day. Where as if you are a lvl 100 you can sanc 100times in a day. I belive thats what it is.... helps keep them pesky "sanc" accounts from sancing allot.

[Jabo]

What did this do to the 200/day limit on the person being listed? And is there a limit of 200 on players above 200?? Nice job S8. Please answer us soon.

[bignich]

What a stupid rule! does this mean that I can hitlist 1 player 150 times with my level 150?

[wazzamcc]

You can only sanc the amount your lvl is. So if you are a 10 sanc account you can only sanc 10times per day. Where as if you are a lvl 100 you can sanc 100times in a day. I belive thats what it is.... helps keep them pesky "sanc" accounts from sancing allot. ????

:( please go play pets...

[theinsane]

s8is ruining all the game by changing hl rules. ...if your not ready to take the heat in mob land damn leave the game go play pet story...its a mob land not a cry baby land

[micky19cfc]

The games are getting worse & worse .. I'm nearly done with it .. Instead of bringing new clients u up missions .. Now this .. No one in these games want this so who is the prat coming up with it

[eWebNation]

Many of you know me...many of you do not...I am commonly known as evil incarnate and/or the horse's petootie...both probably fit equally well...

I've been playing S8 games for well over 2 years now and let's just say I've been through the ringer (good and bad) and seen it all so I'd like to give a go at voicing my opinion on this new hitlist change....

It makes logical sense that the purpose behind this change is to combat the massive flood of mini account hitlisters. Similar to the previous changes, this one was made without any input from the players themselves; IMHO this is a SERIOUS oversight by S8. The players pay the bills, maybe it's about time we had some say in how the game is played.

I'm sure everyone can agree that the hitlisting has gotten WAY out of hand. I have no problem being listed to max daily...personally, I enjoy the freedom to kill uninhibited after I am global maxed, but I'm a high level, the same is definately not true for all levels, or all players.

The result of this new hitlist limit is going to be that these ppl will make even more minis and will have a sudden rush up levels for the existing ones so they can hitlist more....seriously...does anyone have an accnt that they will not try to level now so they can hitlist more? But then there's the income issue....

Perhaps the idea is in part that the higher level requirement to hitlist more will force people to increase their income...ergo...buy more godfather points. Unfortunately, that's not what is going to happen. People will just play without the income, people will just have bad accounts....thus making them want to leave the game.

Another oversight, it will seriously inhibit new players. Since they can not list, they can not join families (usually a requirement to join). Now there will be a slew of low level players who have no idea how to play and left to fend for themselves....most will probably not last long and just leave the game.

I'm all for improving the game....I'm all for eliminating PC players....this is not going to do it. This is going to do nothing more than make it more difficult on the rest of us. What is not being conveyed is that the PC players WANT to destroy the game. They WANT these changes because it means they are 'winning' (for lack of a better description).

A much better way is to start with the autohealers and autokillers. These are easy to identify and will, basically, cut the legs out from under these people and force them to leave the game.

A change is necessary and a change is in order, but this is not the appropriate way.

The idea is to make them leave, not the rest of us.

In closing....no, I still won't link so stop asking :) See ya'll on the hitlist...or maybe not

[sienna07]

This is rediculous and takes away from the game completely. Being able to only max 8 times was not the greatest but I excepted it but now I only get 3 per day!?!

[vettecity]

TERRIBLE idea. S8 u have always told us that sanctioning and attacking were the two key fundamental parts of this game. Now your saying we can only sanction the number of times our level is? This is going to do many things, including but not limited to less abilitly to war between clans, noobs wont be able to sanc and bat farmers, etc etc etc. those who play this game just to **** with people by sancing them will leave. this is a terrible update, dont implement it before its too late.

[taz069]

So this is to end mass sanc's?? More specific information is required! Give us numbers and levels! So broad a subject you have opened up! Can one person still only reciece 200 deaths per day?? In ww?? Or all storm games?? Lvl 100 here. So I can sanc 15 different accounts 100and times?? More specific please! Thanks Taz out!

[alli2132]

I dont think decision makers understand the concept of a war game. Nor do you recognize where your income stream is coming from. A "more pleasureable gameplay" is reserved for game titles like Pets and Bakery Story- limited fighting strategy in fighting games makes very little sense.

1. There has to be healthy tension and conflict. There has to be a reason to care, a reason to log in everyday. And because these are fighting games, its usually a war that makes you want to play. Fighting happens. Emotions fly. Tempers flare. Thats fine. Its healthy. Its why folks fight/bounty back. Its also why people write to support and complain. But remove the fighting or water it down and you also remove the entire point of the game.

2. Players need a reasonable way to combat what they consider unfair. And 10-15 listings isnt going to do it. Right or wrong some people play poorly. Limiting thier ability to "punish" wrongdoers effectively is discouraging. I am a farmer. I have over 40k deaths. 25 listings isnt going to stop my game play, so less than that certainly won't. But it might very well make my opponent stop playing if he thinks he has no way to combat me. Thats unfortunate. It's game changing. Game ending.

3. Your revenue stream stems from those wanting a competitive edge. More funds to buy land which buys better weapondry to support leveling to ultimately beat your opponent(s). People do not buy legend points to chitty chat in the game. They dont buy legend points to have a "more pleasurable game." The people complaining to support about being listed do not buy points. Discouraging aggression is discouraging competition and will ultimately discourage the need to purchase points.

4. We need to encourage new users, not discourage them. I just got a message from a real level 8 - not a mini. He is being harrassed by a group known as "Bounty listers." He is new to the game and doesnt understand why they (level 50+) can list him constantly and he can now only bounty 8 times total in a day. How is he supposed to deter these pests? As they are 40+ levels apart he has no options except to bounty list. And 8 times total to combat 5 people? Really? The game is stale as it is. Ive been playing since the beginning. If we dont find and keep new users to keep things interesting and fresh there wont be much game to play.

5. It is very easy to work around these new changes. And I'm sure we will see more ATM- leveled Lev 60 minis now. While the real low level people are crippled, these reactionary adjustments will just cause more people to get creative about beating the system.

6. In Kingdoms we have a serious problem with third party programs and account theft. Can you work to solve these real issues and stop the silly bandaids?

Sincerely

Thank you

cc: Support

[wazzamcc]

way i see it, lvl 25 will be able to max 1 player (25 hits) or say 5 players 5 hits each etc etc...lvl 50 would be able to max 2 players...lvl 100, max 4 players :eek:

[neonbananarana]

This is garbage lmfao. Soon enough, people will get fed up with money grubbing storm8, and their ridiculous attempts to bring down sanctioners. heres a hint, storm8- if you dont want people to sanction, REMOVE THE SANCTION FEATURE COMPLETELY. Until then, i will be leveling my account to 300, and will continue to enjoy the game. But what does this mean for the clans that are in wars? only 50 sancs for a level 50? storm8 is going to end up losing money in the end of all this. i suggest removing daily/player sanction/list limits altogether, and let people enjoy the games. People are going to end up leaving storm8 games until this is fixed lol.

[neonbananarana]

And how about worrying about things that actually bother people on storm8 games, like for example, people that run around in game posting profanity everywhere. And hackers. and DMZ clan, who do nothing but sit around all day on PC, using bots to cheat. Maybe you should focus on THAT instead, storm8.

[neonbananarana]

Sanction limits= Less wars= Less clans fighting= Less people buying Points= Storm8 losing money. Who submits these things for review? lmao. what genius, was sitting at his desk, and thought 'OH HEY IVE GOT IT, LETS LIMIT THE SANCTIONS'?? Jeeeesssuuuussssss son.

[meade377]

i am sorry but this is the stupidest thing i have every seen s8 do, this brings wars to a stop, then forces people not to be able to wadge war, the games called world war, not paddy cakes, i think it should been move in the other direction, from 25 to 50 or a 100, and the max one person can get to 500, this would make wars come alive, it would spark more playing, what s8 id doing will decress the amount of play, s8 stop being dumb you are making people not want to play, if this stays i may quit my self

[Batman1983]

If your do concerned for the players crying about getting listed, sanced then maybe you could make it for people 18+ only.... That would eliminate a lot of crybaby complaints. Besides , come on people under that shouldn't be playing this anyway.

[ncmto]

This new rule has made the game boring I haven't been able to list any of our rival clan members in over 10hours. Were in a clan war and wecant even participate. If a higher level such as a level 60 is allowed to HL me 60x yet I'm a level 9 and can only HL him 9x well how is that fair???? On WW I was farmed by a guy for over a month the only thing that helped me keep him back was to sanc him every 45min so his health was too low to attack and in the meanwhile I improved my defenses. If this guy were to farm someone with these new rules how could they possibly stop him the same way I did? They can't! This new limit is way too extreme we need to be able to HL/Sanc more times.

[mishka2]

This is ridiculous!!! You guys make this change and then come on here to announce it and you can't even EXPLAIN TO US WHAT YOU DID!!! Are you all sitting around a conference table reading the forums laughing and making bets on which user will figure out what the hell you did first?!?!

The last change you made to the hitlist (only give 200 per day) sort of made sense and while most of us were against it, we bit our tongues and dealt with it because we knew you were doing it to combat the hitlisting bots. We tried to tell you that all it would do would force those types of players to make more minis...and they have. So I am assuming this is your way of combating the minis? If not, what the hell else is this "# of hitlists = your level" crap about? And if it is about the bots how about you stop changing the damn game and find a way to block them from playing?!?!?

I am pissed and I know countless other players are too. I guess when it starts to affect your revenue line, you guys will listen. Maybe this change will have some impact there. I hope it does.

[neonbananarana]

this is ridiculous!!! You guys make this change and then come on here to announce it and you can't even explain to us what you did!!! Are you all sitting around a conference table reading the forums laughing and making bets on which user will figure out what the hell you did first?!?!

The last change you made to the hitlist (only give 200 per day) sort of made sense and while most of us were against it, we bit our tongues and dealt with it because we knew you were doing it to combat the hitlisting bots. We tried to tell you that all it would do would force those types of players to make more minis...and they have. So i am assuming this is your way of combating the minis? If not, what the hell else is this "# of hitlists = your level" crap about? And if it is about the bots how about you stop changing the damn game and find a way to block them from playing?!?!?

I am pissed and i know countless other players are too. I guess when it starts to affect your revenue line, you guys will listen. Maybe this change will have some impact there. I hope it does.

i love you, marry me.

[corona302]

I agree, it sucks and was a terrible idea. But what is really going to happen? I'll tell you: the same thing that happened after every other storm8 change... People complain, make idle threats of how they are going to leave the game, no longer buy points, etc. but what really happens is maybe a handful of people actually quit but by in large the majority get over it and keep playing. Just like you (the reader) have done after all the other "terrible" changes.

The only question is, what are you really going to do? I'm pissed, I don't like it but storm8 has shown time and time again how they operate: vague descriptions (if any) of changes and zero feedback or concern for the actual players. Many of you say that is a poor business plan but yet they somehow still have million dollar revenue days. The reason is the same reason drug/alcohol addicts throw away their whole lives for the substance they crave most... Obviously these games are not a drug but they are addicting. And it's because of that addiction that you and I will continue to play despite change after change after change. And like addicts, you have to hit rock bottom usually before you quit. I have a feeling we (the addicted) haven't hit rock bottom yet.

See you in game; I'll be the one hit listing you about 12 times so take that!

[MrVon]

This new limit does more than limits the amount of sanctions, it limits gameplay dramatically. Many users have already pointed out the major flaws from this update so I won't repeat it. Retract this immediately.

[neonbananarana]

I agree, it sucks and was a terrible idea. But what is really going to happen? I'll tell you: the same thing that happened after every other storm8 change... People complain, make idle threats of how they are going to leave the game, no longer buy points, etc. but what really happens is maybe a handful of people actually quit but by in large the majority get over it and keep playing. Just like you (the reader) have done after all the other "terrible" changes.

The only question is, what are you really going to do? I'm pissed, I don't like it but storm8 has shown time and time again how they operate: vague descriptions (if any) of changes and zero feedback or concern for the actual players. Many of you say that is a poor business plan but yet they somehow still have million dollar revenue days. The reason is the same reason drug/alcohol addicts throw away their whole lives for the substance they crave most... Obviously these games are not a drug but they are addicting. And it's because of that addiction that you and I will continue to play despite change after change after change. And like addicts, you have to hit rock bottom usually before you quit. I have a feeling we (the addicted) haven't hit rock bottom yet.

See you in game; I'll be the one hit listing you about 12 times so take that!
[redacted]

[neonbananarana]

I agree, it sucks and was a terrible idea. But what is really going to happen? I'll tell you: the same thing that happened after every other storm8 change... People complain, make idle threats of how they are going to leave the game, no longer buy points, etc. but what really happens is maybe a handful of people actually quit but by in large the majority get over it and keep playing. Just like you (the reader) have done after all the other "terrible" changes.

The only question is, what are you really going to do? I'm pissed, I don't like it but storm8 has shown time and time again how they operate: vague descriptions (if any) of changes and zero feedback or concern for the actual players. Many of you say that is a poor business plan but yet they somehow still have million dollar revenue days. The reason is the same reason drug/alcohol addicts throw away their whole lives for the substance they crave most... Obviously these games are not a drug but they are addicting. And it's because of that addiction that you and I will continue to play despite change after change after change. And like addicts, you have to hit rock bottom usually before you quit. I have a feeling we (the addicted) haven't hit rock bottom yet.

See you in game; I'll be the one hit listing you about 12 times so take that!

Me: 1
Corona the sheep: 0

[trenae]

Guys -

Posting about the topic and your thoughts is ok - direct attacking of another poster is not. Please refrain from direct attacks toward other posters in posts.

[chippymunk]

My fam is circulating the idea to other families to boycott game for a week over this. Ceasefire wars (they're basically done anyway with this) no favors no farming nada. Pretend the app disappeared from your phone.

Yes I agree it probably won't drive every player away from the game but if you are in a clan and are any good you war which means dumploads of hitlisting. Farming will never win a war ever. Basically this means clans should just disband because no wars will ever be won.

So if it doesn't change soon, expect petition to start circulating in pal rooms.

[neonbananarana]

Guys -

Posting about the topic and your thoughts is ok - direct attacking of another poster is not. Please refrain from direct attacks toward other posters in posts.

I apologize good sir. Note taken. ;)

[samsam99]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

Storm8, I have made a fundamental change in the way I access your games. This change, specifically, involves using a product, and the internet.

Can you give me feedback on it, please? :eek::eek::eek:

Seriously, can you not tell us what the changes are? Why does it have to be a guessing game? (and how can you ask for feedback on a non defined thing?)

Just tell us the rules, please and thank you. :)

[Gravitaz]

WHAT? I just joined a clan at level 17 and my JOB is hitlisting enemies! I'm gonna get kicked out!!! And I can't do much else at level 17 and don't have enough income to move up. LAME!!!!!!!

[neonbananarana]

WHAT? I just joined a clan at level 17 and my JOB is hitlisting enemies! I'm gonna get kicked out!!! And I can't do much else at level 17 and don't have enough income to move up. LAME!!!!!!!

Ik.. :/ Im a level 9, what am i gonna do?

[corruptedsoul_]

Along with the many other posters in this thread i think this new cap is insane as well. It shuts down all the minis that come out of the woodwork while farming (maybe not 100% but theyll have to level up). What fun is it if you know the person you just put in he er COULD have 5 minis but s/he can only list you 30 times with them because of the new limits. That only puts me out of business for what... 10 minutes? Its not fun if youre not looking over your shoulder while doing your runs.

Not to mention that low level players getting listed by higher level players can get maxxed but they may only return 1/4 of the favour? come on s8, everyone needs to rank that fallguy chieve.

[sociopath1]

This new rule is bullcrap!!! S8 has screwed gameplay and fun with this! All they care about is how much money you spend! They are forcing us to level and buy favor points to compensate!!

[notanarmyof1]

So where are the new limits and rules actually posted??? :confused: You state you made changes but dont list what they are.:mad:

[Batman1983]

You guts are quick to respond to others complaining or fighting with other people on third thread, but when it comes to answering legit questions then all is ignored. What kind of crap is that. You want to be known as a good company that listens to its users but exactly the opposite is happening. Your losing respect from us and clearly don't care

[drago]

So how is this going to stop the real problem in this game these days - scripting??? This really only affects those of us playing the game legitimately and not the guys we all know can generate a few hundred mini accounts in minutes. How about going after that instead? As always another thing that doesn't improve the game but makes it worse for those who are honest. I'm beginning to feel like this is a big social experiment...except we lost the social with the loss of the broadcast board.

[01bambi]

Yet another screwup by Storm8. It's a shame Storm8 don't put as much time and effort dealing with people who hack the game as opposed to making developments that turn what was at one time a very good game into one that is not.
They ruined the number of mob members allowed, the bc list, capping someone being listed to 200, then only allowing you to list 200 times, now this. Next thing they will be limiting the number of people you can kill or attack in a day. It's already an unlevel playing field as there are those who can buy points, whether legal or illegal, and those who cannot.
My main grievance is I've wasted time and money on this game for Storm8 to change it into something that is well below standard. I too would like my money back.

[neo2455]

Mobs used to be so much more fun before people started CRYING to S8 about being hitlisted on an IMOBSTERS game!!!! Whats the point in being a mobster if you cant hitlist people??? I am VERY upset with this change!!! Whats the point in the 25 limit you already started for the CRYBABIES in a game and the 200 total limit?!?! That itself was CRAZY now this!!? If you are catering to crybabies, well here I am crying about your limits! :(:mad: PLEASE change this back ... If people dont want to be hitlisted I suggest they play other Storm8 games such as Pets Live !! Whats next are you going to take away the hitlist ?!?! Maybe put in a Flower Shop ??? This is obsurd :mad:

PS Stop deleting my posts LMAO

[RednosePit]

i think its a dumb idea to change how many times you can hl a farmer.. this makes this game suck now!!! thats my 2 cents..:(:(

[monkeyarris]

This is absolutely ridiculous, all the mofos and trons are gone. I have a level 23 chasing account which is alot of fun, I run with alot of really cool people who I've met through my 18month game play. This rule will destroy this game completely, I'm sorry but arent these games WARGAMES.. Not carry on camping!!!! Tell you what S8 I'll swop my sanction account with one of my higher level account and list the C**p out of the lower levels see if they still come crying to you !!!!!!!

[kyubii5]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

I think you made a mistake here. You should've lifted the cap in order to reduce the amount of hate mail, or just kept the old one.

I can give you dozens of other reasons why you should not have done that. But this idea has raised so many other problems this game has, maybe you should read the entire thread while you're at it.

Please put the old sanction cap back on. Because this is an update where absolutely no thoughts went in. Otherwise, you would have stated it in the first post.

~RAWR~

[IceMan_Storm8]

This is simply retarded of you guys in Storm8, here I take my time to work me a great account on income an skill points for what now? For others to lvl fast so they can get more hit listings they can do? Where is the brains in storm8 on this call really come on here. So looks once more the player that wants to work the hardest to have the better end game account gets the shaft once more. :mad: An Storm8 wants to know just why everyone is slowly going to other games that are like iMobsters. All I see needed now is all attack accounts what good is def. now if you can only get hit listed only so much now. An if S8 is so worried on all the minis doing HLings then y not just cap them till they hit like a lvl 25 or so, why do we all have to pay for others BS actions?

[50firstdates]

this is absolute bs. storm 8 has completely ruined the dynamic of the game on so many levels! I mean, the concept of hitlist parties... now if you're in a mob family and you want to throw a hl party, we have to sit around and figure out how many people can pitch because of their level? you have ruined the game by making it unfair. why would anyone want anyone in their mob family under level 25? they're worthless in a war situation because they can't max anyone! it's totally not fair. I don't even want to play anymore. I could understand the first hl cap, that's fine, it makes it fair. then you did the second cap, making it so you could only pitch 200 times, ok, sucks a little, but I guess if you can only die 200 times, then you should only be able to hand out 200 deaths too, but this just isn't fair. you have taken the equality out of it.

I don't even understand why you would do this? are you making too much money where you feel the need to piss off and alienate all the people who have bought points?

[50firstdates]

I'm sorry, I thought this was IMOBSTERS not IRAINBOWSANDUNICORNS! this is a game about attacking people and hitlisting people and killing people... what do u mean a "more positive game play"??? you have sucked all the fun out of the game

[50firstdates]

God bless the old days when hitlisting was unlimited, s8 used to offer special LP offers and they also upgraded the game, they still demand our money for the dross it is now, loyal customers since May 2009 deserve more.

I remember those days... man it was fun giving someone 1000 deaths in a hl party

[lauralanthas]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

Are you serious str8?!?You had a good thing going when you made these games and you are slowly but surely ruining them.This is a attack/defense based game and that's what makes them so enjoyable.What is it gonna be next?...you are gonna regulate attacks?Half of the people that cry to you about being listed don't spend money on the game like us die hard players.Most of the crybabies are also children.You wanna make a positive change then require a credit card before logging in.Your game is used for teenage cyber'n anyways and those are the crybabies that cry about getting listed.I guess what I am saying is you are ruining the genius you made.You are slowly pushing out the diehard players that spend money on these games.If this change goes through than you can prob count me and a couple thousand out.YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[par13]

Seriously whats the advantage of this? Its a war game... and s8 doesnt want anymore wars ...This new rule disadvantage lower lvl which can be hitlisted more by higher lvl and helps farmers...Now they can farm as they want as ppl wont be able to hitlist them.. Im not an hitlister but if ppl trash talk to me or farm then hitlist is the only defense I can have! Those crying to s8 for hitlist are the ppl which are jerks ...the kind ones dont need to cry as they dont get hitlisted by nice ppl!.Ive also heard that vamps and zombs were putted together and that if u have a lvl 69v and a lvl 30z, u can only hitlist 30times between both acc ... is this true?

[kingpin01]

Ok. I'm through trying to find a silver lining for you guys. Storm8, you ****** up... BADLY... Just admit your wrong, and remove the limit before it comes back and bites you in the ass. :mad:

[ilyana65]

Just want to thank S8 for sending me back to the app store! Found Soveriegn Kingdoms and Duel. No need for S8 games any more. If you also like interactive games check out Pheonix. So long S8!

[lowe4444]

Please change the rules back their is no limits in war its based on icome

[jackie32]

S8.... I really don't agree with this move. The HIT LIST is the only way for low leveled racers to defend themselves against farmers and would be attackers. This new only benefits the players that play to take advantage of the weaker players. You have just rendered so many racers helpless against their adversaries. Many low leveled racers can't even join forces to ward off aggressive attackers. You have compromised the integrity of the game. This needs to reverse immediately...

[jo760]

So what is this new policy about? Isn't it enough that before you could only max hitlist 8 players? And now this? I understand that many people were annoyed by the random hitlisters because they kept losing when they were on the hitlist. This comment may offend alot of people but I think that it is the serious gamers of imobsters and other storm8 games that didn't mind the hitlist because they took the time to build nice accounts. In a way I'm very much glad I've only invested the minimal amount of cash on storm8 and only wasted one year playing this.

Thanks Storm8 for once again ruining a very nice game you had.

[vgl0593]

Meh, form the little information that i have received from this, this is a terrible update. Too busy to comment any further, and it is best that i keep it that way probably.

Meh, i decided to email support on this issue. If you do not like it, i suggest you do the same as what i did. Since it is apparent that storm8 does not care about what it's community says constantly and apparently listens to the noobs who email them, might as well attempt to email and see if they will do anything.

[JIMMYTHETIGER]

The new hit list rules prevent u from persuading enemies from farming u. Takes the fun out of the game. Probably won't play much longer. This is a bad idea!

[bheezee]

this is pretty dumb :mad: the reason people get sanc is b/c they are probably being farming idiots... you might as well just limit the ability to attack in a war game... this is silly.

[jackjw]

Storm 8, I will never again buy anything from you if you make this a rule... you brought the hl from unlimited to a set amount and now your going to change it by your lvl... whos is the brains behind this?? your killing the fun in this game completely... we all set our accts up a certain way by the already set rules... now your going to change that?? anyone who wants to set up a new acct will get to hl like 8 times if lvl 8...really?? and all the higher up lvls can max him??? really?? sounds like the new guys wont be playing your game... which is your paycheck... I promise you my money wont go to any storm 8 games if you make this the new rule.... simply amazing!!!!:mad::mad::mad:::

[alexiaanonymous]

Of course Janer, the king/queen of mini's is gonna cry about this.... boooohoooooooooooooo.

Simplejosh stop being simple :confused:

[mrwho110]

If you guys listen to your customers, then you should be able to tell we're not happy. The whining of the few out weights the enjoyment of the masses.

[Dillrod1]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

These games now have no point. Just building and leveling gets old. Sanctions keep it interesting. I would've quit a long time ago, if not for sanctions. Definitely deleting all S8 games now. [removed]

[bloodlust2009]

So now what I am hearing is people can only LIST as many times as their level. So a level 15 account can sanction 15 times.

I agree with Jane.

People are just going to make MORE MINIS and farm them up to a higher level. MORE people are going to jail break. MORE people are going to use scripts. This isnt' going to stop the scripters. It will just slow them down a few days while they attack their own accounts and level them to at least 50. Clans will now SEEK players that are death seekers, and scripters just to list.

Low level players wont have ANY defense against farmers. Higher level players wont be able to help them. Before we had lower levels toss their farmers for other players to catch and sanction then higher levels would kill them. Now that's going to be much harder.

Plus - Vamps/Zombies USED to be an attack game. Now - not sure what it is.

I think Storm8 needs to re-evaluate its income base. Im betting most of the serious players in this game have minis they use to list so they can kill players on the hit list. Its those players and the fighters/farmers/clans that put loyalty points. NOT the players crying over a few hit lists a few days in a row. They are not crying because of the list - they are crying because they made POOR game choices and don't want to reset and start over. Many of these same players are going to cry even if they get a few lists per day. If you removed the sanction system entirely they would cry because someone is farming them. They have weak, worthless accounts with way too much health and no skill points into defense.

So what are you going to do to keep them happy when they complain too much about being farmed - limit the number of times one player can attack another??? Fix it so we can't talk on walls and link to attack? These players are going to complain about something as long s you allow ANY listing and ANY attacking. They HAVE WEAK accounts - they are going to be attacked and loose until they reset. Maybe you should make a VAMPS Story game for them where you don't allow any attacking and can move to that game.

Lastly, I think Storm8 needs to ask its self WHO is buying the loyalty points. Is it the player crying because they have a weak account - that is going to be attacked over and over again because the account they made is a COW. Which player is actually more likely to BUY loyalty points? The bad player that is crying - or the loyal player that put a lot of effort into making a strong, good account?

Does it really hurt Storm8 if a few thousand weak players quit? Or does it hurt the financial bottom line MORE to loose the serious players that buy loyalty points to make their accounts stronger so they can attack more?

I think these new limitations are WAY too Limiting. They take even more fun out of playing this game.

[flavesent]

This is the most assinine rule by far. When I started playing all these games, they were tons of fun. Now, there is almost no fun left in the game, and it has nothing to do with the mofos, or trons, or whoever else is behind these little mini random hit lister accounts.

You guys consistantly make "improvements" that rob the game of fun and strategy. For example, Imob Version 2, which allowed you to keep soft links of the last 10 people you hit listed, who commented and attacked you, and who hit listed you. That robbed us of the strategy of "refusing to link" and "washing out your link" by getting your buddies out of level range to hit list your farmer. Instead it made it almost "impossible" to get rid of a farmer, unless they lvl'd out of ur range.

This is anoter terrible storm 8 decision, and as the already many many many posts will indidicate here, you will see a mass amount of people leave this game..... i for sure will be one of them, unless this rule changes. As many people pointed out, it gives an unfair advantage to people who have been around longer. Not to mention it makes joining a family or having "mob wars" pointless.

the only final thing i want to say here, is to all the cry babies who complain about being hit listed by some random person..... SHUT THE HECK UP Seriously, if you can't deal with being hitlisted, then don't play the game.... everyone is playing with the same set of rules. You aren't going to get from level 1 to 300 without being hitlisted ever, so just deal with it and play the game!!!!!

Post Script: I "heck" more appropriate Vanilla Storm???????? Get a life!

[acctthugs]

This is the most assinine rule by far. When I started playing all these games, they were tons of fun. Now, there is almost no fun left in the game, and it has nothing to do with the mofos, or trons, or whoever else is behind these little mini random hit lister accounts.

You guys consistantly make "improvements" that rob the game of fun and strategy. For example, Imob Version 2, which allowed you to keep soft links of the last 10 people you hit listed, who commented and attacked you, and who hit listed you. That robbed us of the strategy of "refusing to link" and "washing out your link" by getting your buddies out of level range to hit list your farmer. Instead it made it almost "impossible" to get rid of a farmer, unless they lvl'd out of ur range.

This is anoter terrible storm 8 decision, and as the already many many many posts will indidicate here, you will see a mass amount of people leave this game..... i for sure will be one of them, unless this rule changes. As many people pointed out, it gives an unfair advantage to people who have been around longer. Not to mention it makes joining a family or having "mob wars" pointless.

the only final thing i want to say here, is to all the cry babies who complain about being hit listed by some random person..... [removed] Seriously, if you can't deal with being hitlisted, then don't play the game.... everyone is playing with the same set of rules. You aren't going to get from level 1 to 300 without being hitlisted ever, so just deal with it and play the game!!!!!

Very well put btw 

[markdaniel14]

I quit. The game is really boring now, not fun like it used to be. There are bunches of other mob games out there. Am going to check the other games out. Later players. St8 destroyed a good game.

[willycamps78]

This completly ruins the game I can't deal with my farmers now, my families war just stopped because its not even fun and all your gonna do is either force people to camp or level way to quickly creating crappy accounts. You need to change this back

[caffeined]

First rule of marketing Storm8 is to know your product and know your customers. Whoever made this decision to cap hit / death listing to a players level should be fired! This is obviously unpopular to YOUR CUSTOMERS and you are biting the hand that feeds you in addition to making your product lame.

Best regards,

Caffeined

[bowhunter73]

I Swear they are trying to totally ruin this game. That's got to be one of the weakest solutions to a non issue I've ever seen.  Storm8

[balescg]

I just don't get it. Say I'm level 25 and fighting a clan of 8. Now I can only pass out 25 deaths, while receiving 200 deaths in return. Great job Storm 8.... Once again you have managed to ruin the game. Whats next?? Charging Legend Points to refill BL capabilities?? <-- Maybe I shouldn't give you guys any ideas. :mad::mad::mad:

[minikimo]

hun hao hun hao! now sneaky lil sancky acct onri sanc me 8 time!!! hahaha!:D

evil american sanc all day long! why he no talkee me? game no fun!

hahaha. onri 8 time!!! no mo 25! hahaha!

[gateguard]

I like the new policy. If u r a weak country take your lumps and build your country. There's no trophy for perfect stats. Storm8 isn't going to start awarding free HP to players with a good win/loss record or low death count. As far as people complaining how they spent money on this free game and storm8 better listen. U r right it is a free game, and u chose to spend money on it. And u got benefits from that. The game has changed. Adapt your strategies.

[ttiger]

Incredibly stupid decision. The 200 per day was bad enough. This is just plain stupid. I don't know who is running the show over there but you guys are making one stupid decision after another. Why don't you try hiring some high lvl players to give you advice on how to make the game better cause obviously no one at the company plays these games seriously.

[caroadstar]

It was just fine the way it was.

[kethery]

Terrible. You guys are making the game soft. The point of the game is attacking and killing and being killed by enemies.. Lets change the name of the games to peace and love live.

Ps thanks for skill point reallocation. I hear you guys only listen to the whiners on here .. So here i am forced to whine :(

How about you can hitlist someone 5Xs the number of attacks?

Farming is fine, being cruel is not ~ how about purging the nasty players? How about getting rid of the nasty players?

Listening to the whiners is ruining this game!!

[BountyLister]

If you oppose this newly implemented rules email support@storm8.com and voice your opinion.

Changes like these ruins the game.

What balance are they talking about?

Do not fix what is not broken is all I can say.

Bounty List / Hit List/ Sanction List was fun. Everyone play the HITLIST it is the center of attraction.

Bring it back to the way it was before.

[Janer]

E-mail sent to s8 support letting them know my displeasure at these absurd changes.

[greg1192]

thx for spoiling a good game i will not spend a penny more until this is changed stop listening to low lvl whinners and reward the people that have played this game for a few years there loyalty has made this game what it was .

[upperoilcan]

More sad news from Storm8......

Stop ruining this game....Sanctions are all part of it..

[1robby11]

Storm8 does it again!!!!!!!! I actually spend real money on these games. I spent another $100.00 just last week and I regret it now. I WILL NOT and I repeat I WILL NOT SEND ANOTHER DIME ON YOU GAMES...... NEVER.....
You take the fun out of playing..... I will also start clearing all games one by one and uninstalling them and then I'll move on to look for other games (defiantly not Storm8 games) and give THEM my money... NOT STORM8!!!!!

[alkodre]

Hi,
This is a great implement. I'm french, and all the french are happy of this news.

In our community, we have ONE player who list all the french day by day, form months now. HE do that only to disturb the game, to disturb us.

Now we see an isue to this.

Yes he is going to lunch many litle minis, but the time he will have to take care of his minis, alllies, etc... he won't use it on us.

This is great !!!

thanks a lot ST8

I'm playing since more 2 years now. I only see, bad comment on this forum. but I know that most of the players I know (not only french) , are happy for this improvment.

many players I know was about to quit, now I know they won't...

Yes this is a war game, but like all game, it has to be fun. When one player can disturb so much players, somethnig was to be done

and oh, I'm a farmer myself, so I don't care BL.

thanks again .

[Artiuz]

Asking for feedback is a politically correct post, however whether S8 will change anything regardless of negative feedback is another thing. Perhaps you should be asking for feedback first and then make changes.

Please don't lie to us that you will use any type of feedback to influence any of your changes. This game has run its course. I find that i play less and less everyday due to too many negative changes. Usually i will login about 10times a day, now probably twice to three times.

Best way to hurt any company is stop spending money.

[Randomguy93]

For a long time I have said Storm8 need to find ways to increase hit list activity. For the less popular games (eg. Pets) the hit list is largely dead.

What is the purpose of the hit list? It seems to me the original intention was a feature which allowed players to get someone else to do their dirty work, as it were. A feature which allowed weaker players to retaliate against a stronger enemy.

Does the hit list achieve this goal? No. As many users are aware, farmers are not affected by the hit list in any way, shape or form. Many of them even consider their deaths as a badge of honour to signify how many cows they have annoyed in their career. Instead, hit listing a farmer gives them a link to your profile, allowing them to farm you even more.

Which leads me back to the initial question: what is the purpose of the hit list?

In its current state, the hit list only favours 3 groups of people.
A) Those that grief other users by randomly and repeatedly HLing.
B) Farmers.
C) Riders.

Is this the intention of the hit list? Was it designed to give players (often botters) a tool to reduce enjoyability? Was it designed to punish players who tried to retaliate against their farmer? Was it designed to allow riders (ATMs and defenders alike) to thrive ie. actually rewarding players for being on it?

I highly doubt it. What's more, in the less popular games, the HL is dead. Very often you only ever find people who are actually riding the list. When someone who you actually have a chance of killing goes up, they are knocked off within a second. Why? Because the number of people trying to attack the list is 10 times larger than the number of people going on the list.

The entire concept of hit list is broken. If we're keeping the list in its current state, Storm8 need to find ways to encourage more hit listing, even if that means rewarding skill points for the deaths achievements. This change is therefore clearly a step in the complete wrong direction.

However, Storm8 really need to look at a complete redesign of the hit list. Stop imposing silly caps in an attempt to resolve this problem. Take a step back and ****yse the big picture. The entire concept of your hit listing system does not work; the entire concept needs fixing.

It needs to promote active hit listing on a regular basis to keep the list populated. It needs to allow weaker players to actually take revenge on their farmer, so the farmer genuinely has a cost / benefit ****ysis to weigh up (whereas currently the cost of being hit listed is laughable). It most certainly should not make farming entirely unprofitable, but give the victim more of a chance to respond. It should not allow players, especially bots, to grief people with 24 hour hit listings. Riders should still benefit, I believe, as defenders can often find it difficult to get anyone to attack them with how glaringly obvious strong defensive players are. I hope you've noticed how these aims are very contradictory. The solution?

2 separate hit lists

The riders list
This list is specifically designed for riders.

Allowing riders (defenders specifically) to get people to attack them:
Riders can place themselves on the list, removing the need to mess around with an extra player. They place their OWN bounty. The minimum bounty is incredibly high, to encourage players to actually attack this list. Controversially, players who attack this list gain experience even if they lose the battle.

The revenge list
This list is designed as your retaliation tool.

Inhibiting the power of the random griefer:
You can only list someone who has attacked you within the past 48 hours or commented on your profile. No links are left when you put someone on this list. You can see who has listed you, but do not get a link to them.

Encouraging people to attack the list instead of the higher bounty Riders list:
Experience gained for attacking someone on this list is doubled. Experience for scoring the kill is tripled. Players receive an additional gold / XP bonus for killing people on this list several times in a 24 hour period.

Making the list more useful as a retaliation tool against farmers, without completely outlawing farming:
The higher your deaths stat, the more healing costs. This increases exponentially such that farmers will really start to feel the cost when they have reach a high death stat. Given that you can only hit list someone who has attacked you in the past 48 hours, you'd have to be really stupid to get a high death stat from griefers alone. Heck, you could even allow the hit listing of random players but at a significantly higher price. This would allow friends to help out an ally and give random hit listers a chance to function, but not to the extent that they do now.

Encouraging more active hit listing:
Hopefully, these changes would make the hit list more active already. In particular, being able to actually punish farmers and not leaving a "Ohai I just DLed you!" link behind would leave more farmers being placed on the list on a regular basis. Cows would no longer feel they have to hide from their farmer trying to not leave any links anywhere - they could actually deter a farmer from attacking them. If the farmer has to pay 100k to heal, giving enough health for 8 attacks, and only makes 75k from those attacks, the victim is clearly no longer profitable. This, in turn, would make farmers expand their list of cows, angering more players in the process and increasing the number of players trying to hit list them daily.

It’s a very rough and spur-of-the-moment solution that certainly needs adjusting. However, I strongly believe a complete redesign of the hit listing system is where Storm8 needs to go.

I'm currently computerless, so I'll be very delayed in responding to replies to this post ;)

Edit: Please tell me there is an option to turn off this silly language filter. The censored words are a.n.a.lysis....

[alkodre]

nice post above, very interestng toughts.

The idea I retain is : u can only list people who has attacked u in the past 48 hours. 72 hours should be better, to match with the gold flow limit.

So no more possibility to BL someone by random. this is good. The hitlist system was made to retaliate, so it matches with the goal.

good day

[useaname]

Yah see the thing is Storm 8 can't detect Bots, Scripts, Glitches, Hacks, Cheats, Spam, Trons, Mofo's or abusive play unless YOU have a screen shot and their code. The only way they can combat these strategies is to implement crap rule changes like this one. They care not that you "Will never play again" because these games are now on Facebook, they wouldn't give a rats arse that you'll "Never spend another dime" because they will just sell Skill Points again and rake in the cash from those rich kids. Complain all you like, feedback in anger, will they care? NO. Will you the majority still play? Yes. Will it and does it suck? Yes, it has for over 12 months now anyway.

Remove your code from your name or wall and do what the other 25% of players are doing, they can't detect it and they certainly don't care.

[01cookie10]

This is yet another terrible change to the game. (that said it may make some of the high level mob members who never hit list have to do something other than surf 😂)
very disappointing performance on storm8's part.

[farmervlad]

It only seems fitting that S8 reset and allocate all skill points going forward too. In my case reduce my ammo from 60 to 3 and increase the regen time to 20 minutes. To further appease those who complained or quit the game due to the play style of LR187 (permanent ban incidentally for sanctioning for prolonged period of time - S8 definition "cyber bullying") do not offer skill points to regen ammo.

[A7MAN]

First of all I think it's hilarious how many people are using the word "crybabies" around here. It's even more hilarious how many people are using it in reference to other people for complaining to S8 about game mechanics. The most hilarious thing is that most of you still don't get my point here or even know what a hypocrite is.

That said, I think the new caps are a good idea. There are too many sanc-monkey clans full of bots and mini's who don't play the game seriously because they have nothing to lose. For all of the whiners whose best argument is rhetoric about "isn't this a WAR GAME" I must point out that, in any conflict, all sides stand to lose much. In fact, this is the crux of conflict-a fight for survival.

So when a player/fighter has dozens of mini clones of him/herself that are equally as powerful as a player with only a "main" that actually cares about the fate of his/her account, the game is broken. The mini's have nothing to lose, whereas the larger main stands to lose everything.

The old system incentivized creating dozens of mini accounts, bots or otherwise, that only increased anonymity & were essentially expendable. The new system helps to incentivize nurturing one, or a small few, accounts to greater levels & capability. This is a good design decision that serves the integrity of the games.

Furthermore there is a real world financial component to this. The games are a service provided to us for free. However, storing account info, stats, comms & other info gets expensive when millions of accounts are involved. If players are creating dozens of accounts each, artificially boosting their power and capabilities, this costs real money. If the game design incentivizes this behavior then that's a real problem for the company.

So all you sanc monkeys crying foul & accusing S8 of capitulating to "crybabies" I say there are 10+ pages of crybabies here in this thread. Maybe your hope is that by mimicking the behavior you will achieve some semblance of victory for your cause. I personally think most of your comments sound more like temper-tantrums than arguments, but lucky for you I have no power to make decisions. Just remember that S8 has access to vast amounts of hard data about their games & how they are played. You pedantic little wretch's have only your own singular experience to draw from. So mind your credibility, or lack thereof, when whining about large scale changes in the game.

In conclusion I would thank S8 for addressing this issue. You'll get mostly rage because legit, long time players with one account may not notice these restrictions whereas all the ____bag bullies with umpteen sanc accounts are going to notice right away. Please keep that in mind when weighing the "feedback" you see here. Thank you.

[chippymunk]

^^^ an actual intelligent comment in support, didn't think that was going to be possible. Kudos.

Who cares about getting listed? Seriously? Your precious stats aren't as pretty as they were? The noble "one account" players standing proud and alone (not to mention they got there on Chinese points 98% of them). The high horse is a silly and misguided posture my well spoken friend.

I bought multiple devices so I could have a few accounts and have paid for skill points on my main account.

Summary to date: s8 asks what people think after-the-fact, near-unanimous voice is the changes are bad for overall game play.

The question is: Doe s8 care one whit what people think? Or was this just a political "for appearances" solicitation for comment that will be disregarded?

[useaname]

^^ yeah ya know it's not the recent HL/Sanc changes that are the problem here, it's S8 inability to to come off as giving a crap about what we want/like. The Skill Point buy off is what ruined any credibility these games had, and as for the the Chinese point buyers S8 knows, but can't and won't do anything about it. It's a bit like the early days when they inappropriately gained our phone numbers and got sued... They just don't give a ....

[alkodre]

well said A7MAN :)

Does someone know the date for this update ? tks

[jollydog]

This is complete BS. I am an avid user of S8 games and due to the current rule change I will no longer spend another penny on Godfather/Elder points. I am strongly considering not playing anymore. This rule sucks!!!

[mishka2]

Does someone know the date for this update ? tks

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

The change is already made. They implemented a change, then announced that they implemented a change, but will NOT come out and say what the change is.

[drago]

So when a player/fighter has dozens of mini clones of him/herself that are equally as powerful as a player with only a "main" that actually cares about the fate of his/her account, the game is broken. The mini's have nothing to lose, whereas the larger main stands to lose everything.

The old system incentivized creating dozens of mini accounts, bots or otherwise, that only increased anonymity & were essentially expendable. The new system helps to incentivize nurturing one, or a small few, accounts to greater levels & capability. This is a good design decision that serves the integrity of the games.


I think you are missing something here...it is true the old system incentivized creating dozens of mini accounts...now its incentivizing creation of HUNDREDS.

[alkodre]

to drago

no, there won't have hundred.

very active players with minis, usually have around 5-10 minis that they manage at the big max. So they won't start new ones. And if they do, they will stop, it will take too much time.
It's easy to start a mini as they said, but after, if it takes u the all day to manage them, when do u use them to BL ? :)

[samsam99]

First of all I think it's hilarious how many people are using the word "crybabies" around here. It's even more hilarious how many people are using it in reference to other people for complaining to S8 about game mechanics. The most hilarious thing is that most of you still don't get my point here or even know what a hypocrite is.

That said, I think the new caps are a good idea. There are too many sanc-monkey clans full of bots and mini's who don't play the game seriously because they have nothing to lose. For all of the whiners whose best argument is rhetoric about "isn't this a WAR GAME" I must point out that, in any conflict, all sides stand to lose much. In fact, this is the crux of conflict-a fight for survival.

So when a player/fighter has dozens of mini clones of him/herself that are equally as powerful as a player with only a "main" that actually cares about the fate of his/her account, the game is broken. The mini's have nothing to lose, whereas the larger main stands to lose everything.

The old system incentivized creating dozens of mini accounts, bots or otherwise, that only increased anonymity & were essentially expendable. The new system helps to incentivize nurturing one, or a small few, accounts to greater levels & capability. This is a good design decision that serves the integrity of the games.

Furthermore there is a real world financial component to this. The games are a service provided to us for free. However, storing account info, stats, comms & other info gets expensive when millions of accounts are involved. If players are creating dozens of accounts each, artificially boosting their power and capabilities, this costs real money. If the game design incentivizes this behavior then that's a real problem for the company.

So all you sanc monkeys crying foul & accusing S8 of capitulating to "crybabies" I say there are 10+ pages of crybabies here in this thread. Maybe your hope is that by mimicking the behavior you will achieve some semblance of victory for your cause. I personally think most of your comments sound more like temper-tantrums than arguments, but lucky for you I have no power to make decisions. Just remember that S8 has access to vast amounts of hard data about their games & how they are played. You pedantic little wretch's have only your own singular experience to draw from. So mind your credibility, or lack thereof, when whining about large scale changes in the game.

In conclusion I would thank S8 for addressing this issue. You'll get mostly rage because legit, long time players with one account may not notice these restrictions whereas all the ____bag bullies with umpteen sanc accounts are going to notice right away. Please keep that in mind when weighing the "feedback" you see here. Thank you.

Huh? "only the sanc-monkeys will notice", you say? I really don't believe that is correct. Most of the people in the game, by far, most, have 1 or 2 accounts. Most of the feedback is negative. Not everyone here complaining about this new change is sanctioning you, bro. "You pedantic little wretch's have only your own singular experience to draw from. So mind your credibility, or lack thereof, when whining about large scale changes in the game." Seems like you have disttroyed your own argument with your argument to me! LOL
:D To the point, I win most attacks when a low level account sanctions me. Big guns won't waste planes on a 6k payout, so the bounty hunters, and weaker accounts do all the attacking. I don't have a problem collecting wins for free, could you direct me to these sanc-monkey clans, please?

[krissyl81]

These games are based on attack, if people cant handle that they need to go find another game. If any person is being maxed out by more than one person on a daily basis, its generally because they instigated a fight with a clan. Thus causing a clan war. In most circumstances, an innocent bystander does not get maxed out daily. So the people whining to storm8 about being maxed too much must have been running their mouths off and bit off more than they could chew. That being said, there is still no clear message from storm8 implicating the new rules? why havent you come forth to tell us whats going on? I think as a compensation, you should allow us to re allocate our skill points. I and many others have our accounts set up to be hitlisted/deathlisted. I guess now, we have to resort to farming... but im sure you'll soon cap attacks right? Pfft, waste of time and money this game has been, its so disappointing.

[par13]

Hi,
This is a great implement. I'm french, and all the french are happy of this news.

In our community, we have ONE player who list all the french day by day, form months now. HE do that only to disturb the game, to disturb us.

Now we see an isue to this.

Yes he is going to lunch many litle minis, but the time he will have to take care of his minis, alllies, etc... he won't use it on us.

This is great !!!

thanks a lot ST8

I'm playing since more 2 years now. I only see, bad comment on this forum. but I know that most of the players I know (not only french) , are happy for this improvment.

many players I know was about to quit, now I know they won't...

Yes this is a war game, but like all game, it has to be fun. When one player can disturb so much players, somethnig was to be done

thanks again .

Lol I'm french and not happy of it... most ppl i know arent too...My fam isnt a hitliister one, we try to help new players, so we see the disadvantages it gives to lower lvl...How could you want to camp to build a strong acc if ur getting hitlisted by person who can hitlist u as they want and u cant answer back? Ppl will just lvl massively and will have weak acc which wont motivate them to play ...I agree that Hitlister clan where a problem...but this wasnt the good solution to stop it

[sikazz1]

Well now people can't hide behind their precious mains lol. Actually have to play a lil and not worry about their stats or hide .

[SkullyBadMOFO]

Personally I don't really care about these changes, but I know it's bad for the people that pay real money to fund this game. In usual Storm8 style they announce a general change but fail to provide details to the new changes. Once again they force players to have to figure out these new game limitations on their own. That in my opinion is an epic failure on their behalf, but we're all used to it by now. I only have one serious question at this point...






Who the heck is gonna refill my POPCORN?

[peteyp89]

This update doesn't really make a difference to me because I have enough 200+ accounts to global more than 10 players.However, I think it's stupid to introduce the update and then ask what players think.Any chance of releasing details on what the cap actually is now?And what's next, limit on the amount of times you can attack another player?I really don't understand what led to this update...crybabies or tron??either way it's pathetic.tell the crybabies to wise up or break open the piggy bank and upgrade your servers :|

[bransbadass]

Hello everyone,
I'm new to this game and really like it but I am not completely aware of the rules and how to defend myself, because I'm doing all I can to add to my mob but how are a lot of these mob getting so much farther than me and they are on my same level? I would greatly appreciate any ideas or assistance, and welcome you to join/add me my mob # is q2n4t2 and storm8 is bransbadass, this is my first post so I'm not sure my storm 8 is will appear!

Thanks again for any assistance,
Brandy

[bransbadass]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

I do not think there is anything wrong with setting a reasonable limit, as long as the limits are equal to all players.

[Janer]

The FEW people saying it's a good idea....


The HITLIST in Vampires Live/Zombies Live has 2 people on it yes TWO)...normally at this time of night (GMT) it's buzzing with a full list....

The game without the hitlist is not interesting enough....

Also do people know that on my friends level 10 today that she could only use 10 hitlists from her vampire and when she tried from her zombie she was told 'too many bla bla'

S8 as you can see the vast majority are disgusted and utterly confused at how you could so mess up a game...

[chippymunk]

I've seen only high surfers and experience bars on mobster list since yesterday.

[bw1976]

Anyone who knows how to play this game, knows you have just ruined it! And new players arent going to like this game.
You need to change it back.
Nice job this time! FAIL!

[HotmailUser]

I like the changes and also think the amount required to sanction high level players should be increased from 3,700,000 (in world war).

It also weakens the abilities of the lower level campers. Is this a camping game or a war game?

[kingpin01]

I see Vanilla is hiding in the shadows while deleting everything he see's fit. Really swell... And he is a Community Manager HOW? :mad:

[chippymunk]

I've talked to 100 people in pal about this in the last 36 hours. Zero support. Not one person.

[Urkiller]

The new sanction limits are completely unfair and give advantage to higher level players. I have a level 36 which not only can be beat and farmed by level 40, but now they can sanction me more time and make me want to quit this game all together. The stuff about people forming minis and having limited sanction usage is ridiculous. They will just form more minis. One of my alliance members showed me a screenshot from his jailbroken iPhone and he has over 15 accounts on one phone. Storm8... If u r reading feedbacks. Remive sanction limits all together and make the game FAIR. More you play, the more rewards you reap!!!!

[baika78]

All of the sudden WW Sucks!!! my level 9 which I have been growing for months can be sanced by level 100 100 times and I can retaliate only 9 times. How F'n fair is that!!!!????!!!??? Eliminate these limits!!!! Add rewards not limits you dim wits!!!

[killerkat74]

I Quit!!!!!! From today going forward my account is officially sanction account!! I will move up to 300 and just use it to sanction players. You suck!

[kingpin01]

The new sanction limits are completely unfair and give advantage to higher level players. I have a level 36 which not only can be beat and farmed by level 40, but now they can sanction me more time and make me want to quit this game all together. The stuff about people forming minis and having limited sanction usage is ridiculous. They will just form more minis. One of my alliance members showed me a screenshot from his jailbroken iPhone and he has over 15 accounts on one phone. Storm8... If u r reading feedbacks. Remive sanction limits all together and make the game FAIR. More you play, the more rewards you reap!!!!

Within my crew, I know of people with upwards of 100 mini's, and I'm thinking of becoming one of them now. :mad:

[timkim]

S8. You're messing up by protecting the weak players that cry. A lot of strong players that actually spend money and feed storm 8 are turning away from these games. This is a WAR GAME!!! Wake up!! When u go to a war with another country. Does the president tell the military they can only attack a few enemies a day?? Wtf??

[gateguard]

Just been reading peoples post. Lmao. Amazing how much limiting sancs turned these peoples world completely upside down. It will be ok.

[getlisted]

:confused: I am glad I only spent $3.99 on your game before you changed the game/gameplay. I would be SCREAMING refund if I had spend more. I will not be spending any more money on the game now, and tell you clearly that if the rules were this way when I started you would've gotten none of my money at all. All the games I play : Vamps, Zoms, and mobs are quiet. I did not join and continually play your game for peace and quiet. If I wanted that I'd be playing bakery story! I play to war!! My two clan wars have all but ceased. LAME. Please reverse the change.... the old caps were just fine.
Sincerely ;
Ex-fan of your game.

[fishheadstew]

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[lyrisnoxrn]

I played the vamps game on fb for awhile... If you signed out after dropping your health.. NO one could touch you.. They called it zombie mode. You could not hit list them or attack them in that mode. It would solve the problem of s8 servers getting overboiled..and it would curtail the abuse of the listings. It gives you some control over that part of the game. Only mentioning it because it was a function of the game that would come in handy here. It solves the problem on all sides. They are not limiting the listing to be nice.. It is to calm the flow through their servers.. And to make people spend more to level up there players. And..it eases the tension in the game on those that are consistently listed.

[hoseq]

It completely amazes me how many players actually ask this question.

The reason for the sanc or hit listing is because if your acct is not strong enough to beat someone else's or if they are too low to hit directly, you place them on the list so they do get hit by others who can beat them and give them deaths and losses.

If you don't understand that the first time you read it, pull out a dictionary and read it again, find out the definitions of the words you misunderstood.

SANCTIONING AND HIT LISTING ARE NOT CYBER BULLYING NOR HARRASSMENT, REGUARDLESS OF HOW LONG IT GOES ON!!!!!!

[vgl0593]

Wow! 17 pages of mostly but not entirely negative comments within 48 hours. I guess s8 has outdone themselves here with this "update". :rolleyes: Should I give them a hand clap?

Edit: This poll, which is public btw http://forum.storm8.com/showthread.php?t=29260&page=6, is showing 235 people currently disapprove of the update in comparison to only 7. You cannot tell me that s8 can be dumb enough to leave this "update", no way in hell they can be that-that dumb. That is 97% of the voters against the updatein case someone was curious as to what the percentage is. ROFL, meh, then again, i should know by now not to get my hopes up. Meh, i should know.

[hoseq]

I really hate to be the one that HAS to put out this data, but there are way too many not smart ppl in these games and maybe they'll stop crying if they see how THEY created the problem in the first place.

Two and a half years ago there were NO SANCS OR HIT LIST LIMITS. therefore no need to have minis. Second and third accounts, yes. But they played as mains.
Ppl got farmed, stats got either flipped or made way better almost overnight. You could sit on a profile and watch his deaths and losses roll. A very great game.

Some ppl got random sanc'd by Death Chasers, usually they got maxed. They would return a few sanctions and after 2-3 days would jump on forums and cry hard about it. I know, I was one of them. Then out of the blue I was told to build my defense, and stop crying on forums. Ok I stopped crying and started building base D.

Well, Storm8 listened to all the crying and set the 25/200 limits. Made it a little more difficult to flip stats but the adjustment was by creating minis to Sanc and use mains to hit.

Well, how do they make soo many minis? First you can jailbreak your iPod, look for UDID Faker, and another app that helps you add multiple instances of the same app to your iPod. Can be done to android too I've heard.

Then some players got really smart and found/created(?) an iPod/android emulator program for their computers. Now they can make minis like copy n paste style. Move them up to lvl 7-15 or whatever and sanc all day long. Sanc from work or from home. Does not matter.

Problem is neither can be spotted as other than authentic accounts. But yes, it all started with players crying in the forums about getting sanc'd. now to flip someone's stats it'll mean making even more minis, lvl them up to lvl ??? and start sanctioning.

But it is a WAR game. Constant sanctioning/attacking are to be expected. Whether you are camping or not. It's NOT harassment, it is NOT cyberbullying, it IS part of the GAME. if you don't deal with your aggressor correctly then YOU are part of the problem. Crying to Storm8 till they place limits is NOTHING LESS THAN HARRASSING the Storm8 employees.

If/when my second and third iPods get fixed I'll have those also. But just like this message, you cannot tell that I've sent it from my iPod. Maybe I sent it from my computer.

Yup it's all the limits that are the problem. Removal of all limits will return the games to their original fun enjoyable states. Logical.

Morons.

[OICU812]

No hit/sanc till lvl 7 no prob. However limiting sanctions on low level Accts is a poor decision. I have different clandestine pounding my small
Acct till it's maxed. But I can't toss them back. Hiw fare is that. At least let me toss 25. Fir some redemption. Wait. It's war. Remember alls fare in live n war? Time out u guys. U can't hit me cause I can't hit you!! Lol. That works. :confused:

[Genelec]

I'll throw my ten cents in here. My only point of reference is WW and there the biggest blight on the game is scripting, if this change goes in anyway to limiting/preventing that I'm all in favour. I would guess most of the S8 community would also be in favour so why not let the dust settle and see what this change achieves.

As a member of a clan I need to reevaluate strategy and adapt, no biggy, we are all bound by the same rules, whatever S8 make them. I've been through enough of these changes now to realise it's not the end of the world 95% of people in these forums want to paint them. (hint: spend more time playing and less complaining)

I've seen a lot of discussion on how hitlisting/sanctioning is the only way to get rid of farmers. Actually a decent defence is the only way to really deter a farmer. It doesn't ned to be great just enough to make a farmer's return worse than what he outlays. Either that or you are on line enough to keep your health below 27 and he gets bored and moves on.

A sanction account to be effective needs to be low level so bounty hunters don't pick off the target before high level hitters can get to it. Stands to reason if you can only place 25 sanctions at level 25 where the bounty is high enough to attract low level bounty hunters you're only going to give your target wins.

At level 8, you only needed 8 sanction accounts to deliver 200 deaths with a minimal bounty, now you need 25 accounts. That's a lot of work and like taxes is going to put most of them off or make it easier for S8 to identify them.

We can get back to good old fashioned warring & use the attack button instead of the sanction one.

[0fishikilla]

These changes proly dont affect me much, however i believe it reduces the ability of some weaker players to seek payback against stronger players who constantly abuse weaker players. It saddens me that a lot of players i know are talking about leaving the games altogether....

Please reconsider as i believe this is a backward step not a positive step in the right direction.

Kind Regards
Fish

[LUIS46]

Well first. Let me said. The im still waitting to get my old account back. I send you guys all the info,u ask me. And nothing is been done. Im still wditting for my old account. I spend over $300.00on the account. And u people dont care. Thas why i stop spending money on storm8games. And now. Storm8. Mest it up by chsnging the limit. Of the hiting thas mest up. U guy gonna lose alot of costumer. And im one of the cistumer that nit going to spend a dime. On this. Game. Till they give me my old account back. Any question contact me at jlhcobra@aol.com.

[gateguard]

If ww is a WAR game like all the :'( are saying then why try to prove a point by saying sancs protect them from farmers. There aren't any farmers in war. So what I don't get is how u can cry about farmers in one sentence, and then in next breath saying Sancing is ok cause its war. Either everything is ok, or we got alot of weak ass crybabies that need to learn the game and stop complaing over everything that doesn't go their way. Storm 8 needs a tissue button. So that way when some weak player gets "farmed" he /she can push that button. The arguments make little sense. "Farming" is wrong because its "bullying" but an army of minis randomly Sancing someone is ok because there is no rules in war. Build your accounts, ally with stronger allies. Vualt your money. Keep your health low. All good strategies. I think what storm 8 should do is this..... If some one sancs u , regardless of lvl then that opens them up to direct attack. How many would :'( over that change. Probably the exact same people crying here now. Just my opinion

[khkavh]

All of the sudden WW Sucks!!! my level 9 which I have been growing for months can be sanced by level 100 100 times and I can retaliate only 9 times. How F'n fair is that!!!!????!!!??? Eliminate these limits!!!! Add rewards not limits you dim wits!!!

You sure? My Vampire account at level 146 can only sanction someone 25 times until I get the message about putting them on the hit list too many times.

[Dudecorp]

As khkavh asked, "You Sure?" I have a level 69 Rock Battle (yeah, I know, lame game) account and was only able to CL 25 times two days ago after reading about this update. Didn't try last night. Would be nice to know what the actual change is. Perhaps people from different levels should 'max' someone and post the results here. I have only seen the results from khkavh, and my own experience, which is still limited to 25. Perhaps "the update" only affects some games, or "the update" isn't as bad as word of mouth says it is?

khkavh : level 146 VL : max of 25
Dudecorp : level 69 RBL : max of 25

[mishka2]

As khkavh asked, "You Sure?" I have a level 69 Rock Battle (yeah, I know, lame game) account and was only able to CL 25 times two days ago after reading about this update. Didn't try last night. Would be nice to know what the actual change is. Perhaps people from different levels should 'max' someone and post the results here. I have only seen the results from khkavh, and my own experience, which is still limited to 25. Perhaps "the update" only affects some games, or "the update" isn't as bad as word of mouth says it is?

khkavh : level 146 VL : max of 25
Dudecorp : level 69 RBL : max of 25

There has been a 25 hitlist-per-player cap in effect for a long time. You can only hitlist a particular player 25 times in 24 hours...thats not new. Beyond the 25, you could go hitlist 7 OTHER people 25 times each for a grand total of 200 hitlists. Now, the total number of hitlists is limited to your level. So if you are level 25, you can only max one person. The period of time is still in question and I think Storm8 has been tinkering with it. I tested it the day before yesterday and I could list again after 12 hours but now I can't so I think they are still messing with it.

[monkeyarris]

To Clarify the limit seems to be Level related if your level 12 for instance you can only sanction 12 x per 24hour cycle, this is not on a individual player, but total hitlists you can put out in one 24 hour period.

This means that a level 12 who wants to have some fun with his enemy, which could be more than one if in a war, has only 12 lists to throw out, his attacker mouths off from ER "As most do" and you can only try hurt him 12x and thats it!! the rest of the people who you are at war with will have to sit and wait till the next day for your retaliation, your game play for the day doesnt last long. Sorry storm, but you really think people are going to stay intrested in this game if you keep this silly rule.

:mad:In Mobs this seems to have had a major affect on the hitlist already as this moment in time only 6 players are on it, surprise surprise they are the usual lv 250+ surfers. Great move Storm8, youve just created a new game called "ICAMPERS" objective of the game is stay in ER and count your fake money, SUCH FUN!!!!!!!!!!!

[khkavh]

"Except as may be expressly specified otherwise by Storm8 with respect to paid portions of the Service, Storm8 reserves the right to add, change, suspend or discontinue the Service, or any aspect or feature of the Service, without notice or liability."


You ALL read the rules before creating an account didn't you? If you did you have nothing to complain about.. Storm8 can do as the company wish without warning, its as simple as that.

[Dudecorp]

mishka2: "Now, the total number of hitlists is limited to your level. So if you are level 25, you can only max one person"

Again...are you sure? The 'change' that everyone says is in place is that a level n can only use a total of n additions to the hitlist within 24 hours.

As my previous post shows, I am level 69 & khkavh is level 146. Both of us were still only able add one person to the hitlist 25 times. I should have been able to do it 69 times & khkavh 146 times. This goes against what everyone is complaining about, e.g.:

Baika 78: "WW Sucks!!! my level 9 which I have been growing for months can be sanced by level 100 100 times and I can retaliate only 9 times."

I'll ask again...can some of you 'max' someone today and post your concrete results? Would be good to have varying levels doing this, i.e. below level 25 & above level 25. Then we can actually see what the difference is from what it was last week (25/200). I see no difference today, from what I saw last week in RBL. I can still only add one person to the "CL" 25 times. Granted, I have only tried this in RBL, and not the other three games that I play. Perhaps it's only for certain games.

[mishka2]

mishka2: "Now, the total number of hitlists is limited to your level. So if you are level 25, you can only max one person"

Again...are you sure? The 'change' that everyone says is in place is that a level n can only use a total of n additions to the hitlist within 24 hours.

As my previous post shows, I am level 69 & khkavh is level 146. Both of us were still only able add one person to the hitlist 25 times. I should have been able to do it 69 times & khkavh 146 times. This goes against what everyone is complaining about, e.g.:

I guess I should have asked you this: after you maxed that one person (hitlisted them 25 times) did you go try to max someone else?

I ran a test the day before yesterday. I have a level 16 in vamps. I hitlisted one player 16 times and received the message that I have put too many players on the hitlist, try again later. This is the new limit. 12 hours later I finished maxing said player (9 more hitlists) and received the message that I put this player on the list too many times -this is the old per player limit, nothing new there. That player is maxed by me. I then went to another player and hitlisted them 7 times and got the message that I have hitlisted too many players today. So I was under the assumption that I can hitlist 16 times per 12 hours.

However, 12 hours after that I tried to hitlist and was unable to do so. So I believe Storm8 changed the period of time between listings and made it longer (from 12 to perhaps 24).

To be honest, I am losing interest in finding out what the hell they did. Why can't they just be upfront about it and tell us? Why is it a huge secret? It's basic gameplay mechanics, it's not the secret formula to the mysterious Skill Points.

[Dudecorp]

I guess I should have asked you this: after you maxed that one person (hitlisted them 25 times) did you go try to max someone else?

Hi, mishka2. No, I didn't. This particular person wants to be maxed as often as possible, which is why I did it at all. In RBL, I haven't found a reason to use it. As I battle the heck out of everyone on my level, I'm usually the one getting added. ;-)

Personally, at present I don't really care either, but would be nice to see people from different games & levels posting their experiences, so perhaps the people who do care can get a better idea of what the change was.

[wallyb]

This new cap is a joke all it is is s8 protecting the weak players who don't want to learn to play tge game better and smarter yeah I'll admit when I first started I was fired up to war anyone but guess what I got farmed and listed and not once did I cone crying to s8 cause as I was told before * you've made your bed now lay in it * so to all those who like this new rule you are tge one killing clan wars I've made literally hundreds of new friends and half of them started as enemies in a fight don't like being attacked go play something else and s8 if this isn't changed I'll move on to different games as I've been playing for over 2 years and I'm pretty well fed up with all these new caps especially this one

[HotmailUser]

All of the sudden WW Sucks!!! my level 9 which I have been growing for months can be sanced by level 100 100 times and I can retaliate only 9 times. How F'n fair is that!!!!????!!!??? Eliminate these limits!!!! Add rewards not limits you dim wits!!!

I thought this was a war game and not a campathon. Why shouldn't a level 100 who obviously got there from battle experience and missions be stronger than a level 9 who just roasted marsh mellows for months. And they can't sanc you personally 100 times in one day.


They should also increase the price it takes to sanction people for low levels. I'm tired of seeing high levels being on the sanction boards for 4250$. Make it the same for all levels. Sanctioning low levels = cheap, sanctioning mid level = moderate, high levels = expensive regardless of the sanctioner's level.

[DarthKimo]

i like the change. too many mini sanc accts hiding their mains. this forces the minis to level. hahaha!:D

come to the deep end of the pool!:eek:

[kreechurgloom]

i am deleting all storm 8 games now. hitlisting was my only defense as i am only level 11. no longer any fun for me.

[Janer]

You and I quote said

1) We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

2) Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

3) We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

1) And it's caused the biggest mass of dissentation in these games for many a time period.

2) I don't see how you can say it's the majority when the poll shows different and all the clan rooms say different too.

3) The days you say...how many days? and why was there such scant information on such a massive change?

Now more importantly the poll is def going to be overwhelmingly in favour of people against this change, I want to know that will S8 actually listen to democracy as they said they would?
Are you or other s8 staff going to interact more with the s8 community?
Past experiences show that is one of the areas that s8 need to work on...

[DarthKimo]

i like the change. why should mini sanc accts not have to level like the majority of players? these minis are there purely to harass others while their main accts slink away from the fight.

great job S8!

everyone should quit crying and play the game. their game (S8), their rules. S8 are capitalists which doesn't mean they have to be democratic. their job is to make $$$. not cave to the masses.

[PISKA]

Now more importantly the poll is def going to be overwhelmingly in favour of people against this change, I want to know that will S8 actually listen to democracy as they said they would?

I love this phrase! May I keep it please?

Piranha, is that you??? Or is this someone from TA?

[Janer]

Janer is Janer....ask anyone in VL ;)

[Janer]

i like the change. why should mini sanc accts not have to level like the majority of players? these minis are there purely to harass others while their main accts slink away from the fight.

everyone should quit crying and play the game. their game (S8), their rules. S8 are capitalists which doesn't mean they have to be democratic. their job is to make $$$. not cave to the masses.

[/QUOTE]

1) new players d/l the s8 apps everyday...

2) The people who have minis and are high level if anything partake more in the game as they are normally batting ;)

3) They caved into the cry babies against getting HL in a war game ....lolololololol

[PISKA]

1) new players d/l the s8 apps everyday...

2) The people who have minis and are high level if anything partake more in the game as they are normally batting ;)

3) They caved into the cry babies against getting HL in a war game ....lolololololol

Baloney. They are responding to a multitude of spam-sanction accounts that are, actually, against the rules of the game very specifically. You, I, anyone else AND Storm know that all those L7s are NOT legit accounts and are third-party software supported and generated.

[HotmailUser]

3) They caved into the cry babies against getting HL in a war game ....lolololololol

And now there are a lot of "cry babies" against this change. Will they now cave into these "cry babies"?

[PISKA]

Look. Say what you will, but a legit level 7 does not have enough foes to need that many sanctions. If you play the game - REALLY play - you know this.

You barely just got to the point when you can attack, and you don't have links all over the place yet. You probably don't even know clans exist, much less are a member of one. You're still figuring out the game.

If it's your second account, most of the above applies to you except that you intentionally most likely do NOT leave links and probably are building before you even attempt hitting someone.

Lets just say it. All 7s who sanction are specifically that - SANCTION ACCOUNTS.

There is absolutely, positively NO reason for a legit Level 7 to have an unlimited number of sanctions.

Your excuses are laughable to anyone who knows the game. And, trust me, Storm knows the game.

[Trevuh]

Look. Say what you will, but a legit level 7 does not have enough foes to need that many sanctions. If you play the game - REALLY play - you know this.

You barely just got to the point when you can attack, and you don't have links all over the place yet. You probably don't even know clans exist, much less are a member of one. You're still figuring out the game.

If it's your second account, most of the above applies to you except that you intentionally most likely do NOT leave links and probably are building before you even attempt hitting someone.

Lets just say it. All 7s who sanction are specifically that - SANCTION ACCOUNTS.

There is absolutely, positively NO reason for a legit Level 7 to have an unlimited number of sanctions.

Your excuses are laughable to anyone who knows the game. And, trust me, Storm knows the game.

Im a legit level 8 in VL. So i've been playing for the past two days getting advice on how to make blood etc from higher levels. So i've been buying slaves. Well one morning I wake up to see this guy attacking me over and over again. Well, I obviously can't attack him back if im spending all my money on slaves, so I hitlist him. We engage in a hitlist war, and then I see, "you have reached the limit of hitlists today". Now your telling me thats not stupid? :confused:

[PISKA]

Im a legit level 8 in VL. So i've been playing for the past two days getting advice on how to make blood etc from higher levels. So i've been buying slaves. Well one morning I wake up to see this guy attacking me over and over again. Well, I obviously can't attack him back if im spending all my money on slaves, so I hitlist him. We engage in a hitlist war, and then I see, "you have reached the limit of hitlists today". Now your telling me thats not stupid? :confused:

Yes. I am telling you that's not stupid. There are smarter ways of fighting farmers than hitlisting back and forth. First of all, if he can direct attack he's not got much more sanctions than you do. So you're about even there. Secondly, why not just keep your health down? Did your friends ever suggest that? It's far more effective than hitlisting a farmer.

[01bambi]

I like the changes and also think the amount required to sanction high level players should be increased from 3,700,000 (in world war).

It also weakens the abilities of the lower level campers. Is this a camping game or a war game?

It is a war game however you do have to camp if you want a strong account that has maximum equipment for level, unless of course you buy chinese points , hack the game or buy points from storm8. I wonder if storm8 are behind the illegal points....

[Janer]

Secondly, why not just keep your health down? Did your friends ever suggest that? It's far more effective than hitlisting a farmer. Some players play virtually 24/7, this guy mightn't be devoting his life to the game the way this other player is...
Also Piska the HL opens so many more angles to the game, without it it's not that a special game...

[Janer]

And now there are a lot of "cry babies" against this change. Will they now cave into these "cry babies"?
Why there is a poll, 92% see the NO side.....unless ur against the majority? If so a future in middle eastern politics awaits you sir!

[PISKA]

Some players play virtually 24/7, this guy mightn't be devoting his life to the game the way this other player is...
Also Piska the HL opens so many more angles to the game, without it it's not that a special game...

And if he's not devoting his life to it he should be fine with a few losses.

Let me explain something to you: FARMING IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, IT IS NOT BAD, IT'S NORMAL AND ACTUALLY THE ONLY LEGIT WAY TO PLAY THE GAME.

There is no reason for people to cry about "punishing farmers"

They're not doing anything wrong

Hitting weaker opponents direct is what the game is about.

Why do you people do not understand this????????

[coconut_storm]

Whew, going through this thread is pretty exhausting!
Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

As you know, these recent changes took place already, and a lot of you are already seeing the affects of these changes in-game. However, as many of you may not know, is that these changes were implemented as a cross bred effort from months of both player feedback and hard in-game data and statistics.
No changes were ever made from just complaints from select groups of players.

While changes has been made already, we are still actively collecting all the feedback, both vocal ones, and statistic ones from here and in-game in the coming weeks to adjust and fine-tune these changes to better accommodate all players equality. We highly encourage players to try playing the games normally and actually see for themselves what parts of your normal gameplay has been realistically affected.

As mentioned, we are here to listen to each and one of your individual feedback. However, not all feedback is beneficial to our development team.
We understand that these changes may have upset or irritated your gameplay, but unless we know exactly why, we are unable to appropriately assess and correct the situation.

Example of a non-beneficial feedback:
You only listen to whiners! This game is terribad now! Change it back or I'll hate you.

Example of a good feedback:
Before this change, I was able to actively attack this player # of times a day. Now, that this change took place, I attack a lot less, and as a result, I play this game a lot less.

Constructive feedback or criticism is much welcomed.
Again, we sincerely appreciate the the voice of the community.
So please help us help you. Thanks! :)

[01bambi]

And if he's not devoting his life to it he should be fine with a few losses.

Let me explain something to you: FARMING IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES, IT IS NOT BAD, IT'S NORMAL AND ACTUALLY THE ONLY LEGIT WAY TO PLAY THE GAME.

There is no reason for people to cry about "punishing farmers"

They're not doing anything wrong

Hitting weaker opponents direct is what the game is about.

Why do you people do not understand this????????

Wait and see they will cap the number of direct attacks you can make very soon :D

[HotmailUser]

Yes. I am telling you that's not stupid. There are smarter ways of fighting farmers than hitlisting back and forth. First of all, if he can direct attack he's not got much more sanctions than you do. So you're about even there. Secondly, why not just keep your health down? Did your friends ever suggest that? It's far more effective than hitlisting a farmer.

Completely agree. You're just wasting money hitlisting them and providing a softlink (assuming they don't have a hardlink) Why not use the money for other things that make you less of a target for farmers.

And why would a farmer max sanc a cow? They're wasting money putting you on the hitlist and letting other people steal the cow's money. As well as reducing your health to 1 making it take longer to regen so they can continue farming you.

[PISKA]

Why there is a poll, 92% see the NO side.....unless ur against the majority? If so a future in middle eastern politics awaits you sir!

I am a chick.

I am against the majority of people who have been drafted in pal to say a specific thing in forums. Note most people have one or two messages on here, and if you look at them you will see that they only came here specifically because they were told to. They know nothing of the game.

Do you have any idea how many people play the game and know nothing of pal? What about them? Does their opinion not count???

Don't throw fake numbers at me. I've been in the game - and on this forum - long enough to know who is who and what's what and how things are done.

Democracy, btw, is not rule of the majority, but the protection of the minority. Or do you not know this, just the word has a nice buzz?

[01bambi]

Whew, going through this thread is pretty exhausting!
Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

As you know, these recent changes took place already, and a lot of you are already seeing the affects of these changes in-game. However, as many of you may not know, is that these changes were implemented as a cross bred effort from months of both player feedback and hard in-game data and statistics.
No changes were ever made from just complaints from select groups of players.

While changes has been made already, we are still actively collecting all the feedback, both vocal ones, and statistic ones from here and in-game in the coming weeks to adjust and fine-tune these changes to better accommodate all players equality. We highly encourage players to try playing the games normally and actually see for themselves what parts of your normal gameplay has been realistically affected.

As mentioned, we are here to listen to each and one of your individual feedback. However, not all feedback is beneficial to our development team.
We understand that these changes may have upset or irritated your gameplay, but unless we know exactly why, we are unable to appropriately assess and correct the situation.

Example of a non-beneficial feedback:


Example of a good feedback:


Constructive feedback or criticism is much welcomed.
Again, we sincerely appreciate the the voice of the community.
So please help us help you. Thanks! :)

I dont recall being asked for feedback until now, maybe because I don't trawl formums.

[HotmailUser]

I am a chick.

I am against the majority of people who have been drafted in pal to say a specific thing in forums. Note most people have one or two messages on here, and if you look at them you will see that they only came here specifically because they were told to. They know nothing of the game.

Do you have any idea how many people play the game and know nothing of pal? What about them? Does their opinion not count???

Don't throw fake numbers at me. I've been in the game - and on this forum - long enough to know who is who and what's what and how things are done.

Democracy, btw, is not rule of the majority, but the protection of the minority. Or do you not know this, just the word has a nice buzz?

Also, the people who approve of this change probably are too busy playing the game instead of coming to the forums. :)

[PISKA]

Wait and see they will cap the number of direct attacks you can make very soon :D

They won't. The "Farmer" thing is the invention of the ww community since the very beginning. A few people got together and decided it's a boo-boo and then made everyone repeat it. It was NEVER part of Storm's agenda.

Direct hits will never be limited by anything except your health. You can't really bully at your own level without sanctions.

Amazingly, sanctions (which were created to counteract icky behaviour) have become the primary source of the exact opposite - bullying people who dare not conform to what someone decided the game should be.

[coconut_storm]

I dont recall being asked for feedback until now, maybe because I don't trawl formums.

Thanks for your feedback regarding asking about feedback, here is the relevant info on the 1st post asking for feedback:

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

[PISKA]

Thanks for your feedback regarding asking about feedback, here is the relevant info on the 1st post asking for feedback:

Bambi has 4 posts on the forum. Without even looking at them, wanna bet they're all about this specific issue? :D

[PISKA]

Also, the people who approve of this change probably are too busy playing the game instead of coming to the forums. :)

As I said - I neither approve or disapprove. Overall more positive than negative simply because I know who the L7 accounts are and how and why they were created and why they're whining now. And, frankly, everyone knows. They have no strategy aside from cheating. ZERO.

Their "I'm a legit 7 and am suffering terribly!" is laughable to anyone who plays the game and reminds me of the scripts Uncle Sam used to write for his "democratic" meetings etc.

[VanillaStorm]

Thanks for your feedback regarding asking about feedback, here is the relevant info on the 1st post asking for feedback:

Thank you for your feedback about the feedback asking for feedback. Your feedback regarding the feedback's feedback has been noted, and should be directed to the Feedback forum where we take feedback and leave feedback about said feedback.

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[01bambi]

Thanks for your feedback regarding asking about feedback, here is the relevant info on the 1st post asking for feedback:

I was meaning in regard to "However, as many of you may not know, is that these changes were implemented as a cross bred effort from months of both player feedback and hard in-game data and statistics."

Months of players feedback, is that the previously mentioned "cry-babies"?

[01bambi]

p.s my ****ysis of the feedback which has been given so far is that people don't like the change.

[CapnChaos]

Hi S8. You need to attend custer service training. Your abject lack of it is apparent in your recent actions - firstly in posting a thread which is ambiguous and disingenuous. You fail to be clear on what the changes are - that is really annoying - then you give platitudes on why you've introduced it.

99.9 % of players would stop a mass sanction attack IV the player posts a surrender so arguments earlier in the threads that this isn't the case are erroneous. You tolerate anti-Semitic groups like the 88's, you don't stop scripting when it's obviously being used, but you design a game change that make 60-70% of your users (those in Clans) look on in bewilderment. You have taken a significant step towards ruining your own game.

I call on all players to boycott purchasing HP until this decision is reversed.

Let's see if some consumer-power can cause a change of mind - reasonable feedback doesn't seem to be working

The Cap'n

[Nuggeted]

I call on all players to boycott purchasing HP until this decision is reversed.

Let's see if some consumer-power can cause a change of mind - reasonable feedback doesn't seem to be working

The Cap'n

I didn't buy them today even though they are reduced by 20%!

Feedback

1. Cap on number of mob members - this means that new players cannot add experienced players to their personal mob who they could possibly call on to help if the needed that.
2. BC board changes - The BC board used to be used to communicate effectively with all mob members in the game, which was useful for coordinating attacks, this no longer happens as people do not get all the BCs - we are still unsure on the exact changes that were made ;-)
3. Unlimited number of hit lists on one player was fun and could show the strength of a mob, I appreciate this could be used to bully other players, however, I have found that there are reasons why people end up being "bullied" and issues were resolved more quickly.
4. Being limited to 200 hit lists has again taken an element off fun out the game, gone are the days of hit list competitions when you would max over twenty players a day. On a positive note the 200 cap does seem to have made the hit list move faster.
5. The new update makes the hit list almost empty which is difficult if you are trying to use the hit list to level.
6. The new change gives yet another major advantage to high level players over low level players. A number of people stay at low level to build their accounts, its my understanding that its harder to build an account now than when the game was first released, this means that those who want to stay low and grow (and who might be unable to buy point legit or illegal due to financial constraints) cannot participate as effectively as a member of a mob than a high level player. They could level up so that they can hit list more however their account will be weak.

I have heard it said on a number of occasions that the many changes that have been made over the last year have ruined the game and taken much of the fun out of things.

Changes I would like to see.
1. Reinstallation of BC board.
2. Unlimited hit lists allowed.
3. More real estate items and equipment.
4. More FREE favour points like the good old days.
5. For it to be as easy for new accounts to build as it was when the game first started.
6. Storm8 doing their sums and collecting their stats that will show the majority of strong high level accounts with over 3B income have cheated or paid for storm8 Christmas bonuses. Watch the game see who's on the list and look at their stats, its obvious they are using auto heal, auto kill etc.
7. More mission mastery ranks.
8. Talking about statistics - that mobs who go to war do so for a set period of time and the statistics determine who has won - wins/looses/kills/deaths of participating mob members.
9. If you must have favour points as an aspect of the game use competitive prices, here you should use your initiative, the reason so many people buy cheap illegal points is because they are cheap! Beat the prices and people will buy them from you instead.

[CapnChaos]

Okay, we all know that many players now control fleets of mini's that they auto-command to sanction. These are generally lvl 7 accounts. If you want to get rid of this practice then take action against these players/accounts. Look at levels 6-30 for a history of massive sanctions compared to any other activity. Where you detect it shut that player down for a week or two.

Mass sanctions are a VITAL part of Clan Warefare and I'll bet 90% plus of your income comes from Clan players. I've long felt you should offer a separate server area ("battlefield") where clans can go and do battle. That way every player would need to be declared and physically transferred to the battlefield. This could exclude players below, say, level 20

Come on S8. Where are your creative minds?!

The Cap'n

[chippymunk]

Thank you for your feedback about the feedback asking for feedback. Your feedback regarding the feedback's feedback has been noted, and should be directed to the Feedback forum where we take feedback and leave feedback about said feedback.

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Perfect example of unhelpful criticism. Thank you for the illustration.

[PISKA]

Perfect example of unhelpful criticism. Thank you for the illustration.

Um. Where's the criticism?

[VanillaStorm]

Perfect example of unhelpful criticism. Thank you for the illustration.

My apologies; just trying to lighten the mood. Plus, I love Xzibit memes.

I believe Coconut illustrated our viewpoint of the current situation quite clearly. We are continuing to gather feedback (both written in the forums and tracked gameplay behavior) from this issue.

The change was not made rashly, but was decided upon over time after careful evaluation of current gameplay behavior and balance inequalities. We believed, and still do, that this change is for the benefit of the greater Storm8 community. While some may point to this thread, or the poll, and say "everyone hates this," we've had many emails and PMs that say otherwise, as people don't want to get mobbed in a largely negative thread. The majority of players aren't affected by this change. Nor does it eliminate the use of minis, it only requires minis to have different parameters.

As stated previously, we're also monitoring gameplay behavior since the change, and will evaluate how to further adjust this limit as time goes on to make sure everyone is accommodated, or at least in a state of compromise.

[chippymunk]

HAHAHAHAHA

Nice political spin, 470 out of 500 people hate the change per the poll "but it's really being received well". The voting is anonymous btw, no social/political firestorm from voting the other way.

What I hear is "We spent too much time on this to be deterred by the views of the players."

If you guys didn't care what we thought why did you ask? I've spent a lot of personal time explaining WHY this is so inequitable and messed up in the context of family play and warring and we get a snarky pat on the head in reply. Thanks.

[rosamia]

well said @chippymunk
my sentiments exactly :)

[Freedomna]

So they changed it to your level now? Meh, better me thinks. Still not enough though to bring me back :( .

Anyways if anyone wants me I am still hanging out in the palringo groups; [teen advice chat] [-15] and [15plus] Cheers!

[minikimo]

finally! great job S8!!! i likey!:D

chippymunk- let me guess, you level 8-11............hahahaha.

try investing some time in building a good acct. or spend some real $$$.

i'd say the majority of players don't know about these forums. easy to claim the opposite of what S8 states. also, lots of people who just joined these forums (oct11, nov11) posting negative critiiques. let me guess, all level 8-12. LOL!;)

[chippymunk]

Yeah I'm level 8 - 11. Glad to hear you think the low levels are pointless. Since every player is forced to go through them. Way to attract new people.

[minikimo]

Yeah I'm level 8 - 11. Glad to hear you think the low levels are pointless. Since every player is forced to go through them. Way to attract new people.

i'm darthkimo's mini (lvl 70). no, lower lvl's aren't pointless. however, if you are using sanc's as your weapon of choice, then you aren't really playing this game with a good strategy.

read tyhe stickies at the top of the WW discussions page. learn the info. build a good acct. you might change your strategy.:confused::D

the early levels are for learning the game fundamentals. all my accts went through the same as you. just different strategies employed by me. hey, do as you want.

cheers, kimo

[vgl0593]

My apologies; just trying to lighten the mood. Plus, I love Xzibit memes.I think I am going to quit

I believe Coconut illustrated our viewpoint of the current situation quite clearly. We are continuing to gather feedback (both written in the forums and tracked gameplay behavior) from this issue.

The change was not made rashly, but was decided upon over time after careful evaluation of current gameplay behavior and balance inequalities. We believed, and still do, that this change is for the benefit of the greater Storm8 community. While some may point to this thread, or the poll, and say "everyone hates this," we've had many emails and PMs that say otherwise, as people don't want to get mobbed in a largely negative thread. The majority of players aren't affected by this change. Nor does it eliminate the use of minis, it only requires minis to have different parameters.

As stated previously, we're also monitoring gameplay behavior since the change, and will evaluate how to further adjust this limit as time goes on to make sure everyone is accommodated, or at least in a state of compromise.

Well, it is apparent that the decision was not a rushed and an under thought idea. It was just a bad one in the eyes of over 450 people according to this poll - http://forum.storm8.com/showthread.php?t=29260&page=6. Ultimately, it is understandable that adding limits on certain game-play features is easier to attempt to control cheating than banning every player that cheats. However, the measures taken with this recent update severely hinders the game-play experience of legit players, and especially lower level ones. In reality, these 2 facts should cause s8 to reconsider the issue. Although i do not want either things, but i would rather see the cheaters going crazy and for me to have the ability to actually hit list people rather than a totally regulated hit list feature and no cheaters.

[bloodlust2009]

This new cap only shows how ignorant Storm8 is. It will be easy (just a bit annoying) for cheaters to level their drone listing bots to 25. They don't care about income - or having their bot farmed (they only have enough income to list as many times as they want and many have a blood bar they can attack to get the income just before they need it).

BUT - for the average low level player - its NOT going to be as easy. They don't have an army of minis to protect them. Its not really fair that a higher level farming them can NOW also list them more too!!!

And the higher levels that LIKE listing each other for fun - well - guess we don't matter. I was just shy of 20k deaths too. Many players like me have a few LEGAL accounts. I farm certain accounts and when they are critical - I list them and kill them off the list. Guess what - many I play do the same exact thing back to me. Its just the way we play. I'm just leveling my minis up now so I can keep doing that - as are others I know with minis are as well. I WAS originally camping them - hoping some day to maybe make one of them my new main. Well - guess not now so I guess you can count OUT the money I would have used to spent on sp when they were ready to start leveling.

Unfortunately players actually AT low levels can't just level up higher to list - if they do it will leave them weak and easily farmed. Your just going to end up with more people complaining about farmers now.

If Storm8 REALLY thought this new dumb rule out - they would NOT have changed how many times a single player could list based on level. They simply could have cut the max lower levels COULD GET SANCTIONED from 200 a day to 100 a day for players under 50, and maybe 25 lists a day for players under 25. That's lists they receive NOT deal out. It would have protected lower level players from the bots - but allowed higher level players to continue playing as we always have been.

This new rule takes too much fun out of the game and changes the game too much.

What's Next Storm8?? Are you going to "Fix it" like you did the bc system. Are we only going to be able to list CERTAIN players based on some internal S8 codes - but for security reasons NOT be told WHO those players are??? The only way we will be able to find out if we can list a person is to try first. Sounds totally stupid right??? But then I remember - OH - THAT'S WHAT YOU DID TO THE BC SYSTEM. And that "FIX" was less stupid than your current "improvement".

I have no plays to buy any more Loyalty points in the future. I hope others choose not to as well.

To bad we cant end all surfing on the sanction lists for a week. It would be really nice to show Storm8 EXACTLY how empty the lists are and how dead this game has become.

[mad_reaper]

Storm8-

I think the new HL limit is just another way for you to push loyal players away from the game. Its an absolutely horrid change and another step towards COMPLETELY ruining the game.

Maybe instead of changing the Hitlist rules and other parts of the gameplay that are within the game rules, you should concentrate on catching and banning the players that CHEAT!! Like the players that use scripting tools to auto-hitlist and auto-attack and auto-banking....THAT would be a GOOD improvement to the game unlike this change which leaves lower levels defenseless against farmers.

It is yet another sad day for storm8 gamers, especially the ones who have been loyal, upstanding players for more than 2 years. I highly suggest you rethink the changes to the game, and focus more on fixing all the cheating in the game!

[vgl0593]

Storm8-

I think the new HL limit is just another way for you to push loyal players away from the game. Its an absolutely horrid change and another step towards COMPLETELY ruining the game.

Maybe instead of changing the Hitlist rules and other parts of the gameplay that are within the game rules, -snip- ....THAT would be a GOOD improvement to the game unlike this change which leaves lower levels defenseless against farmers.

It is yet another sad day for storm8 gamers, especially the ones who have been loyal, upstanding players for more than 2 years. I highly suggest you rethink the changes to the game, and focus more on fixing all the cheating in the game!

Well, here is the problem. You ban one account, and another one pops up tomorrow. If all they did was ban the cheaters as you suggest, there would be no time for them to do anything (meh, if your mind is telling you they do not do anything anyhow, so why isn't this feasible? you are foolish and lack any understanding about anything). However, the only other way to prevent the problems outside of banning every account that pops up (unless s8 is somehow able to ban from ip addresses) is to place limits, which is what s8 did here.

On a side note: I re-read CS's post and felt i had a bit more to add to my post. The 2 facts that i posted a few posts back was that it is impossible to ban everyone that cheats and over-limiting will not solve anything, but reduce game-play. I feel as if i addressed the first to the degree that it needs to be discussed, so i will discuss the second.

1. Sanction accounts. I personally have a sanction account that i use while i camp in other games. I used to hit list in vamps at least 100 times a day while camping in WW and Imob (this was about a month ago +). Now that I armed in those 2, I have been camping my sanction account. With the new rule, I can no longer have fun sanctioning because it is now over limited (I can now only hit list 44 times (takes about 8-9 mins to go through) a day unless I level, which is not something I want to do nor do I have the time for). As for other sanction accounts, this also screws them over.

2. BA cups and death chasing. For all of us farmers/death chasers, this also destroys the fun of receiving deaths because players will now be ultra cautious when sanctioning, and thus, less fun for both parties (the cows like to sanction farmers and the farmers like the deaths).

3. Defending. People who use sanctions to defend themselves, especially in the lower levels, are now unable to use this feature to defend themselves. Although i do not believe this is the best way to defend yourself, people do it against farmers to "get back" at them. Now because of this limit, it is harder for this kind of player to hit list people because they have to conserve their hit lists in-case of another attacker shows up.


Hopefully you see my point. The thing is, there are more types of players than the missioners and etc. who hate being hit listed and cry about it in emails to support. And although i know you know that, I would hope to ask that you would hopefully consider the other groups (the death chasers and others i named) when updating aspects of game-play that have been pretty much set in stone and accepted from the beginning.

Suggestions from me:

1. Take the hit listing game-play features back to the pre-update standards.
2. If you absolutely need to fool with a perfectly fine hit list by most peoples opinion, re-consider possibly setting up a progressive hit list system in which level 7-20 can toss only 25 times, 21-40 can do.... and so on.

I am tired tonight, so i have condensed what i feel into a few paragraphs. Hopefully you listen to the majority of your players who are against this new "update" and do not ignore us.

[dukieBC]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

I saw nothing wrong with your previous limit of 200 lists per character, but this new limit imposed really holds the hitlist down to boring proportions.

From what I have seen, the new daily max is your level + one. So a level 9 player can only place 10 people on the list per 24 hrs.

This really gives higher level players an unfair advantage over lower level players. I'm above 150, so I can hl several players at the max of 25. If the player is under level 24, I can always list him more times than he can to me, that's if I can be bothered. I don't mind going on the hitlist anymore. I am not a death chaser but I have over 3000 deaths now, and I look at it as part of the game.

What if you are in a clan and at war with another clan? Clans/groups/fams are the best part of these games, since we are constantly at war with each other, and expect to be listed/sanctioned to a daily max. Now this is seriously limited, and you guys are taking the fun out of the this game. I have spent money on HP, LP for my various characters, and I have to tell you, I'm not spending any more money on these games unless you remove this latest limit on our game play.

[vgl0593]

I cannot remember if anyone posted it, but i have received conformation as to whom the cap affects. If this has already been made aware, i apologize, but this was new for me when i read it a couple mins ago.

[removed]

Hopefully this clears a few things up for people.

Ultimately, i am no longer really concerned about the cap. Even though i feel that a level 7 should get more than 7 sanctions, it is still not comprehensively killing a cows favorite defense, completely retarding farmers deaths, and preventing sanction accounts and such from functioning, although in ww, the price of tossing will be higher at 50 than at level 7. All that is needed to be done is that you will just need to be above 50 to be able to sanction 200 times. So get a moving :D

[hoseq]

Really?! wow! Yes hurry up get the lead out and move up to my lvl so you can sit n camp for the next 2 years as you very slowly build your Base D and income buildings up to a lvl where you can afford to have a full set of attack AND defense units. Meanwhile, you'll be getting farmed the entire time by others who have played the game smartly and are near or at max base D for their lvl 50's. But hey, with enough of you there you'll only have to deal with players up to 16/17 lvls above you.

That or put out a large amount of RL money like others have, and still risk being called a cheater and getting a permanent ban.

With that said, I'd really appreciate anyone explaining to me exactly how me getting listed 25x per day for a few months in the lvl 20's was in any way me getting harassed?

[Sqyntz]

I'm a hardcore camper and I still find these changes to be pretty lame. The rationale behind them is pretty pathetic. Trying to justify the changes shows how out of touch the company is from the dynamics of their own games.

[PISKA]

I am reading this and literally laughing my behind off.

Do you people even realize how transparent you are? It's so clear that you're simply worried about your multitude of minis and that you can't hide behind them anymore as effectively as before.

This change really does nothing to hurt straight gameplay. No 7 or 8 has enemies rough enough to need to hitlist them a bazillion times. It just doesn't happen the way the game is set up, unless that 7 is a mini of someone much higher used for sanctioning their enemies. Those minis do have a multitude of deaths (yes, that's genius to - I love it when people sanction minis, it's hilarious!) as a rule.

If you look at the stats of real playing low-levels in the game, though, you'll see the majority has maybe 3 or 4 deaths, if that.

I've suggested earlier to storm to enhance profiles with another statistic - number of sanctions placed. Now that would make this discussion significantly more interesting.

There would be a handful of level 7s who didn't place thousands upon thousands of sanctions. Simply because real players don't stay at level 7 long - they move on. At some point, buying those low-level buildings (even if it's a building account) becomes counterproductive and higher-level buildings are more attractive, including in price. Real accounts inevitably level. It's just the way the game is played.

Stop whining. Nothing wrong with the change at all. It really affects no one who is NOT cheating.

[PISKA]

With that said, I'd really appreciate anyone explaining to me exactly how me getting listed 25x per day for a few months in the lvl 20's was in any way me getting harassed?
How many deaths do you have? I'm at 21K right now, and am not a deathchaser. I think I know what I speak of. :D

[PISKA]

Ultimately, it is understandable that adding limits on certain game-play features is easier to attempt to control cheating than banning every player that cheats.

Amazingly, when Storm does ban those who cheat, all those who are posting here write e-mails to them saying that banning is unfair. They get a campaign going in pal, yadda yadda yadda.

Seen it happen more than once.

So yeah. In many regards, this is easier.

Note most of those opposing have 1 or 2 posts on the forum. Amazing how they on their own, without any organization whatsoever, found the forum and the exact thread to post their opinion in, without participating in any other discussion, etc.

Seriously? lol

I feel like I'm through the looking glass. Everyone here KNOWS what's going on, and is acting like it's legit. It's not. People just bummed they can't use minis to spam-sanc. Period. No other reason behind it. None. Zero. Nada. And everyone is pretending they don't see the elephant in the room.

[greazy69]

I am a player an you have messed up the game now if a farmer hits me I am limited as to how I can retaliate.

[Demosolon]

Stop whining. Nothing wrong with the change at all. It really affects no one who is NOT cheating.

ugh. what kind of logic is this?
Insuccesso

[PISKA]

I am a player an you have messed up the game now if a farmer hits me I am limited as to how I can retaliate.

Farming is not against the rules. Build a stronger account.

[chippymunk]

Are you a s8 plant? 36 'for', 488 'against'. But nobody is affected unless cheating. I'm laughing my behind off at YOU foo.

[jazzman1]

Awesome !!!!!! I LOVE IT !!!!

[jazzman1]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Love the changes. And the fact that we know who is crying here makes it that much sweeter. Lmfao !!!!!

[HotmailUser]

I am a player an you have messed up the game now if a farmer hits me I am limited as to how I can retaliate.

Sanctioning is a silly way of "retaliating". You waste money, farmers don't care about deaths. You just left a soft link so they can farm you some more. And if someone does farm you, they are likely close to your level range meaning they can sanction as much as you can.

[chippymunk]

Note most of those opposing have 1 or 2 posts on the forum. Amazing how they on their own, without any organization whatsoever, found the forum and the exact thread to post their opinion in, without participating in any other discussion, etc.

Seriously? lol

I feel like I'm through the looking glass. Everyone here KNOWS what's going on, and is acting like it's legit. It's not. People just bummed they can't use minis to spam-sanc. Period. No other reason behind it. None. Zero. Nada. And everyone is pretending they don't see the elephant in the room.

Lots of new people posting here yes it's true, they never had a big reason to before. Are there conversations flying around pal on this? Yes. Are people circulating these threads to get people involved? Yes. This is a huge problem to the family game as ANY fam player will tell you. The independent players seem to be all happy nobody can bother them anymore, definitely some farmers and probably some campers in here.

My farmer account, couldn't care less one way or the other about this rule. But I don't know what to tell our small members. We have a number of folks under level 30 and we're a warring family. Under level 50 even isn't gonna be able to do much to the point we have to consider them leaving the fam.

Our folks hit the 200 limit all the time before. We pitch and we bat. That's what we do. We have zero bots but a bunch of hard working players with excellent organization. It's (or was) a beautiful thing.

Part of the greatness of this game to me is the teamwork of it. A level 15 that makes $20m can pitch to a 250 and they can high-5 and laugh about it together after. The 15 strives to be big but can still participate. Now what we have is the bigs can pitch to each other only and we can't bring in new kids anymore because they're worthless.

The haughty "I'm gonna tell you opponents what you REALLY mean" attitude is condescending and narrow-minded. You assume if the rule is good for you then anyone with an opposing view is unimaginative or cheating. And obviously you forgot what life is like under level 30 or 40 or 50. And bear in mind this rule diminishes what a 50 can do by 75% or more.

Grow a little perspective piksa.

[machida420]

We have recently implemented a new series of changes to our hitlist/sanction system across all of our RPG games.

Specifically, these changes will adjust the amount of times a user can hitlist other users globally in one day. These balance adjustments were made to create a more positive gameplay environment for the majority of our users.

We would like to hear your feedback regarding this issue in the days to come. Thanks!

I think this is amazing.

1: Campers used to feed off hitlisting so called "farmers". Players who are actually playing this game. These campers don't even bother banking their money, leaving themselves unarmed and complain about others attacking them.

2: Limiting to 200 hitlist/day means farmers don't need to give up with their stats from playing this game the way it was intend to. The more we attack, the quicker we level. Farmers are happy to pay the price. There is nothing unfair about it.

3: Stopping minis to max people and make them work to level 25 is amazing.
Once again, I think that this is a great idea. Although farmers don't care too much about hitlisting. It also means that farmers will at least have some time off for now. Maybe for a few days?

I believe that those who dislike such policy are campers, lonely individual who group with others and call themselved "families"

Good job Storm 8 :)

[chippymunk]

Hooray! Another vote for "it doesn't affect me so who cares if it wrecks others' games!" Way to see the big picture.

[PISKA]

Grow a little perspective piksa.
I have plenty of perspective. It's a proven fact that I have always been for changes that benefit the game rather than my own interests. As opposed to others.

You know this is about sanc accounts. You just refuse to admit it.

You really shouldn't think Storm8 are fools. They play the game too. They know that a REAL Level 7 has absolutely, positively NO NEED to sanction several people 25 times. Seriously NONE.

This change does nothing to affect regular gameplay. To the contrary, re-assignment and purchase of SP points actually DID affect it big time. For everyone.

And all one-posters in THAT discussion were FOR IT.

Grow up and deal. Learn to play smart. Again, I've played this since the very early days, and faced quite a few formidable opponents. Anyone - even my sworn enemies - will admit that. I am scared of no one, certainly not a bunch of sanc accounts. This change affects me in neither a positive nor a negative way - I will do well regardless.

And yes, I do believe that this will significantly cut into the cheaters' setup, with minimal cost to those who are truly just starting and playing straight. If anything, it will protect them from getting bullied by people who for some reason feel they get to decide who gets to play and who doesn't.

I've known very high levels who have been forced to quit because of this at one point or other. I will not name names, unless they come forward themselves.

Unfortunately, they were the more ethical and fair players. The cheats you are now protecting are still in the game with their faux stats and their inferiority complex.

You can get as many minis as you want to vote for this. It doesn't change the truth. Regardless of what people say, everyone knows this is about sanctioning minis and you just can't find enough excuses to prove otherwise.

No L100 will go looking for a L7 to sanc. Period. It just never happens. EVER. Unless that's a L7 sanc account which was used to pitch the L100 excessively (granted, if the 100 sancs it back he/she is a moron, but there are plenty of those in the game).

[PISKA]

Just so you know - I'm not expecting to change people's minds. Those with the single post - they're never coming back to the forum. They've done their part.

As I've suggested - all Storm has to do is compare the IPs of those voting. Results will be SIGNIFICANTLY different from the ones you claim to be true. That's the hilarious part - people are voting from their sanc accounts that they don't want to lose. It totally tickles me. I see them (thankfully, original poster didn't think of hiding the results, and the list of names is quite impressive - but not in the way you would hope it would be).

In my own discussions on pal, vast majority doesn't really care either way. They certainly aren't going to go to forums just to vote on this, and they don't have 20 sanction accounts to pad that vote if they do. Anyway, they're too busy actually playing, and it doesn't bother them one way or the other.

[machida420]

This is exactly what I mean.

TBH, I am not sure what is the "right" way to play the game. What I believe is that no matter how you play this game, there is always a price for your choice.

I tried farming and I tried to camp. I enjoy both game play as nothing really bothers me, and I always have a way to counter attackers.

But max hitlisting man... Personally, I just don't understand why it is fun doing it.

Cheers

[chippymunk]

piksa your voice represents one class of player to the detriment of others. Thus you are narrowminded and without perspective. Simple fact. And the poll supports my view. Writing the same thing over and over and over makes you no more correct than you were the first time. Heard you the first and seventh time you said the same thing. It's still just as narrowminded as it was the first time.

Team game = pitching and batting. Low levels pitch. It's not a scrap THEY got in, it's a scrap their TEAM got in. Solo player, not surprised this distinction is lost on you.

[HotmailUser]

In my own discussions on pal, vast majority doesn't really care either way. They certainly aren't going to go to forums just to vote on this, and they don't have 20 sanction accounts to pad that vote if they do. Anyway, they're too busy actually playing, and it doesn't bother them one way or the other.

Considering storm8 hasn't really said what the EXACT changes were, it's hard for people to vote they like/approve the change. If there was an option for "I don't care/Doesn't affect me/What is the change?", that would probably get plenty of votes.

I only found the vote thread because I read someone's wall post urging other people to vote against it.

Almost 500 votes against it? Hardly a large representation of the number of players playing the game. Only takes 2 players to broadcast to their alliance to vote and you'll have that number if most of their allies voted against it.

[hoseq]

How many deaths do you have? I'm at 21K right now, and am not a deathchaser. I think I know what I speak of. :D

I currently have over 4k deathsat lvl 59. I went over 3k at lvl 28. But I just thought it was part of the game.

Piska, I'm sure you started playing WW and just like me was allowed to buy buildings at what? Lvl 1 or 2? We could sanction, post, send ally requests, do BC's, we received free reign. So what changed THAT? do you remember? Does anyone remember?

I do. I didnt agree with it then, and I still don't.

Also, plz stop with the "all that don't like this rule cheaters" comments. You know as well as I do exactly what lvls cheat. As there really is not any call to run scripts below say lvl 150(?) Isn't your acct over 150(?) Anyway, I do believe the purist mentality is best for the gameplay. Removal of all restrictions. Because if adding these restrictions does not affect you, then neither would the removal of all of them.

[chippymunk]

Chinese points and killbots way bigger problems in game than whatever this is attempting to correct in my opinion.

[aamark]

piksa your voice represents one class of player to the detriment of others. Thus you are narrowminded and without perspective. Simple fact. And the poll supports my view. Writing the same thing over and over and over makes you no more correct than you were the first time. Heard you the first and seventh time you said the same thing. It's still just as narrowminded as it was the first time.

Team game = pitching and batting. Low levels pitch. It's not a scrap THEY got in, it's a scrap their TEAM got in. Solo player, not surprised this distinction is lost on you.



You seem to think that 'solo' players can't pitch and bat.

How incorrect you are.

As long as you have more than one device you are free to do so. Or get an ally to pitch for you. As I see it, the limitations are to try and stop the faceless cowardly pitching that occurs currently. Often scripting. It will certainly make those that use these lvl 7's work harder in doing what they were before.