Tip for Everyone and more...

[Agsded]

1.) I apologize for the arrogant tone of my other thread, I was in a bad mood because someone was commenting on my profile saying I was pathetic for not having any weapons (I'm camping) and this person had roughly 10 of each land, quite amusing.

Anyway....

The right way to buy land

I understand mostly all of you are following the ROI method for buying land. Using the spreadsheet to see what land you should buy next. This is absolutely fine for the first 20-30 levels or so. Farms and the other lands are a good way to get started. However, there is or should be a cut off point.

Think about this, when you get up to 300 farms following the ROI method of buying land, you're spending a LOT of money on farms, and a lot of time purchasing. With 300 farms you're still only making 300 gold from those lands. When you surpass level 30 is 300 gold really worth a whole lot to you? It shouldn't be. You should be making close to 400,000-1 mil/cycle by now.

That 300 gold you get every hour, would you even notice if you lost it? No. Not at all.

So once I hit lv. 30 I sold the lower lands and only started buying everything above the land that brought in 50 gold or more an hour. I've only been playing less than a month and I'm surpassing a lot of people in income this way. The ROI is NOT the way to go for the entire game.

Think of it this way, a successful business starts out by buying small shops and kiosks because that's all they can afford. Once they get going, however, they sell those smaller shops and buy office buildings in several areas. The costs of running the smaller places outweight the income from those smaller shops. They sell them. This is common sense in the business world and can be applied to this game quite easily.

I hope this helps a few of you who are getting up there in levels. Save your time and money.

[sapphiron]

Actually, when I noticed this post, I decided to do a little calculation ;)
Having 250 farms, my next one will cost me 1.3K for 1 gold income
Now, as a comparison to that - I have 200 Temples, and my next one will cost 1.1mil with 800 income. Doing a simple calculation, 1 gold of income from temple costs 1375.
Maybe it is not necessarily more convenient to get your money from minor lands such as farms and lumber mills, but it is slightly more cheap.

P.S. have you noticed that even thou Microsoft doesn't own all those small kiosks, you can still buy their magasines and other miscelanius? ;)

[Agsded]

Actually, when I noticed this post, I decided to do a little calculation ;)
Having 250 farms, my next one will cost me 1.3K for 1 gold income
Now, as a comparison to that - I have 200 Temples, and my next one will cost 1.1mil with 800 income. Doing a simple calculation, 1 gold of income from temple costs 1375.
Maybe it is not necessarily more convenient to get your money from minor lands such as farms and lumber mills, but it is slightly more cheap.

P.S. have you noticed that even thou Microsoft doesn't own all those small kiosks, you can still buy their magasines and other miscelanius? ;)


1.) You're still referring to ROI. That's not what I'm employing.

2.) I have no idea what you're talking about "magasines" and "miscelanius".

[Unregistered]

1.) You're still referring to ROI. That's not what I'm employing.

2.) I have no idea what you're talking about "magasines" and "miscelanius".

Let it go already. Everyone has proved mathematically that while your method works, it is not the most efficient. You CAN argue the facts, but you look like an idiot. And also, don't pick on spelling. At least that person can do math, which is obviously not your strong point.

[sapphiron]

Whats ROI?? Whatever it is I see what you mean. You suggest that ROI is not the way to go. But it is. Even you follow it when buying land - you don't always buy Gold Mines, do you? Why not? Because everything else is soo much cheaper and gives seemingly good income for its price. However the twist is - Gold Mine in relation to Barracs is exactly the same as Barracs to farm :)

I will try to simplify that - when you bought enough Gold Mines and decide thatBarracs is more proffitable for you, then according to your logic you must, after buying enough Barracs - buy farms :)

This probably ended up being overcomplicated ...

[Agsded]

Let it go already. Everyone has proved mathematically that while your method works, it is not the most efficient. You CAN argue the facts, but you look like an idiot. And also, don't pick on spelling. At least that person can do math, which is obviously not your strong point.

Make an account man. Geez. I don't even know who you are. And I wasn't picking on spelling, I literally had no idea what he was talking about, did you? And trust me I know math bro. I also know common sense, which I don't think you do.

Whats ROI?? Whatever it is I see what you mean. You suggest that ROI is not the way to go. But it is. Even you follow it when buying land - you don't always buy Gold Mines, do you? Why not? Because everything else is soo much cheaper and gives seemingly good income for its price. However the twist is - Gold Mine in relation to Barracs is exactly the same as Barracs to farm :)

I will try to simplify that - when you bought enough Gold Mines and decide thatBarracs is more proffitable for you, then according to your logic you must, after buying enough Barracs - buy farms :)

This probably ended up being overcomplicated ...

No I understand. I guess my idea is too complicated for most people. It's all a matter of stepping outside your math box and looking at the entire game for what it is. Stop doing calculations, and look at the Farm. 1 gold. Per farm. Per hour. I had 200 farms. That's 200 gold, an hour. THAT'S NOTHING. The time it takes to sit there and click each farm to buy it, and the waste of money, is enough of a warning flag to me. Do as you guys wish. I'm going along with the people that are lv. 200 and decimating the ranks. Calculate away boys.

[leerkee]

Newb question but we all were once. What is ROI ?

[kingesso]

Where can i buy a bigger E-PEEN?

[tymo]

Newb question but we all were once. What is ROI ?

Return of Investment..

Income / Cost = ROI

[itsMartini]

Agsded, I'm sorry to say I'm laughing at you again.

Don't post a guide when you don't know what you're talking about. The property with the best ROI is the best property. End of story. I understand you don't buy the lower properties because it's time consuming, but don't say they're too expensive. Plus, it's not actually time consuming if you've been buying the right properties the whole game. You should only have a few more farms and lumber mills than Stone Quarries based on proper ROI, so buying them takes just as long as buying quarries or blacksmiths. Again, stop trying to post a guide when you don't know what you're talking about.

[b1aze]

Make an account man. Geez. I don't even know who you are. And I wasn't picking on spelling, I literally had no idea what he was talking about, did you? And trust me I know math bro. I also know common sense, which I don't think you do.



No I understand. I guess my idea is too complicated for most people. It's all a matter of stepping outside your math box and looking at the entire game for what it is. Stop doing calculations, and look at the Farm. 1 gold. Per farm. Per hour. I had 200 farms. That's 200 gold, an hour. THAT'S NOTHING. The time it takes to sit there and click each farm to buy it, and the waste of money, is enough of a warning flag to me. Do as you guys wish. I'm going along with the people that are lv. 200 and decimating the ranks. Calculate away boys.


Not sure which level 200s you are looking at, but i am pretty sure that they still have the proper, or atleast close to proper ammount of Farms in reference to other lands.

Listen to itsMartini, i have a feeling he knows what he is talking about...

[Xanthos]

Laughs Out Loud.

He Agsded has absolutely no idea what ROI is about. He totally missed out the fact that it's all about gold spent/income.

[b1aze]

Laughs Out Loud.

He Agsded has absolutely no idea what ROI is about. He totally missed out the fact that it's all about gold spent/income.

More so:
Income
-----------
Gold spent

[ntodor]

Even if the OP was correct in his assumption, which he is not. I would still argue with him just to bring a little chaos to the boards :D

[ThereIsNoGod]

ROI is the way to buy, period. Certainly it is cumbersome to buy all those farms, but it is the smart business move to make.

[whisper]

Using the spreadsheet is the best way to go...AT ALL LEVELS. Reason being is you are always buying the best land for the BEST PRICE. Yah you might only be getting a Dollar here and there but when you want that goldmine but can by a few castles, keeps, villages etc and find out that for the same amount of money you saved enough cash to get one more temple which is an exra 800 an hour.

All of these LITTLE things ADD up over time...and instead of making 2 million an hour you could be making 3 mill....listen to Martini..hes got tons of cash.

My guy doesnt have a ton of cash because i didnt learn this or care at the beginning but alls you need to do is a quick calculation and see your ripping yourself off.

USE THE spreadsheet..whether its the masterpiece or SK8s...I like sk8's because its easy to use and i dont need the rest of the stuff in the masterpiece.

http://www.immoforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

Dont listen to this guy...hes just being lazy....and the only time to sell off your land is when you take what you sold and buy a land that will give you a greater return for the price you get when selling.

An example is the royal casles...when they added the new lands my castles if i sold a few would let me buy a gold mine that gave me 3X as much money etc.

[itsMartini]

I have my own very simple ROI spreadsheet for each game. I haven't seen too many people in any of the games with a higher income than me:D

[skt168]

I have my own very simple ROI spreadsheet for each game. I haven't seen too many people in any of the games with a higher income than me:D

hmm.. I see you are 10 spots ahead of me on the leaderboard (http://klboards.gentavgames.com/).

But seriously, ROI really is the key. In some games with more properties, it may make sense to place a "floor" (ignore properties under a certain income). However, in Kingdoms there are only 13 properties and they are all important. It really does not take much longer to follow the ROI recommendations and the payoff is worth it.

Which offer would you take?

Offer 1: You give me $10 and I give you back 15 Gold pieces
Offer 2: You give me $100 and I give you back 120 Gold pieces

Assuming you can keep going back to offer 1 (even with a 10% increase), it should be obvious.

[Voxx]

You also need to factor in the gold you loose while you are "saving" up for that land at early levels. Instead of buying that cheep farm and getting a small return.

[Victory2b]

I am probably the worst person to comment on this as I only make about 2k at level 70. But even I know the ROI is the best way to do it. I also dont follow it because I dont have my spreadsheet on me at all times and look at how pore I am!

So in short JUST DO IT! It's worth it!

[marksman]

I am going to have to say I laugh at you too.

Your strategy is completely illogical and not correct.

If 1 gold per hour costs you 10 gold from farms and 50 gold from a castle, you are dumb for not buying the land from the farm first, until at such point it is the higher one.

I understand the laziness factor where if you are quick hitting you might buy more expense ones. However once in a while you need to go in and balance things up. Sure it takes a little bit of time but if you don't you are literally giving money away for no reason.

If I told you bring me a quarter and I will give you $5.00 back, or bring me a $20 and I will give you $100 back, you would be dumb to bring me a $20.00 because $100 is more than $1.00. That is essentially what you are telling people to do.

In the game obviously you will get less and less return, and at some point it would make sense to bring the $20 to me, but not until you have already brought me a ton of quarters.

Your plan is lazy and also costs money. Every hour/segment where you purchased a higher ratio piece of land means money that you have no chance of ever getting back. It is gone forever.

[marksman]

I am probably the worst person to comment on this as I only make about 2k at level 70. But even I know the ROI is the best way to do it. I also dont follow it because I dont have my spreadsheet on me at all times and look at how pore I am!

So in short JUST DO IT! It's worth it!

Not to laugh at you but it just tells me the best way to play these games is to ignore them for a long while. Most others I have rushed up and it always puts me in a bind. IN Kingdoms I have barely played. My income is almost 1 million at level 30. I just wish I had more patience in the other games. I am going to keep camping for a long while. Of course if someone can share the costs of the top level items I can start figuring out what kind of income I will need to get to where I want to go.

I just know the next game they release I am spending a lot of time not playing at low levels. I just wish they had a method to gain money that didn't revolve around not playing. Obviously you can pay cash, but I would rather have cash be something I payed to replace play time, not replace not playing.

[Agsded]

Do what you want. I go up several spots on the leaderboard every day. My method isn't exactly how I described it so I apologize, it's more like having a floor and ceiling method to the ROI.

Only been playing for a short time, passing everyone in most profitable.

[marksman]

You are passing people who are not playing.

the laws of physics and time don't allow you to pass other people who are actually playing properly.

You are literally losing money every single day doing what you are doing.

[Agsded]

You are passing people who are not playing.

the laws of physics and time don't allow you to pass other people who are actually playing properly.

You are literally losing money every single day doing what you are doing.

They are attacking me, so they must be playing. And their land counts are

150, 150, 145, 145, 130, 100, etc...i.e, ROI method..

Good try though.

[itsMartini]

Do what you want. I go up several spots on the leaderboard every day. My method isn't exactly how I described it so I apologize, it's more like having a floor and ceiling method to the ROI.

Only been playing for a short time, passing everyone in most profitable.

First thing first. You are not even in the top 100 in profits, let alone income.

Second. You are on the leaderboard for profits and income 51 to 60. Half of the people there haven't unlocked the gold mine yet, so that doesn't say much.

Third. Everyone within 20 places of you is moving up at least as much as you are. That means people are either dropping off from not playing, or they're leveling above 60 and getting removed from the list. You are not gaining on anyone.

Fourth. This banter is all in good fun and I don't mean to harm you in any way. I just love reading all of your posts about how your "strategy" is so awesome... followed by me making a post making fun of it;)

[Victory2b]

Not to laugh at you but it just tells me the best way to play these games is to ignore them for a long while. Most others I have rushed up and it always puts me in a bind. IN Kingdoms I have barely played. My income is almost 1 million at level 30. I just wish I had more patience in the other games. I am going to keep camping for a long while. Of course if someone can share the costs of the top level items I can start figuring out what kind of income I will need to get to where I want to go.

I just know the next game they release I am spending a lot of time not playing at low levels. I just wish they had a method to gain money that didn't revolve around not playing. Obviously you can pay cash, but I would rather have cash be something I payed to replace play time, not replace not playing.

Laugh away I am crazy for playing this way. With that said in the other 2 storm games I play I stopped and went to collect money first in World War around level 26 and sold everything focusing on land. Now that I am at level 30 I make about 20mill an hour and thats after I have almost maxed my defense army of 195. Also in iMobsters I moved very slowly up to level 5 and make about 1.8mill an hour and I am only leveling to get to land that has a better ROI.

I just do this crazy Aggressive Explanation tactic in Kingdoms because I want to if it is possible to rush up to level 200 at any cost. Even if that mean getting there with no substitutable income and an extraordinarily high loss to win ratio. The only reason I made it this far is because you cant lose equipment like in world war thats what cased me to stop in that game.

In the event I ever make it I will probably to a little wright up of it for this form explaining how, along with all the problems I came across and likely advice to not do anything I have done to get there.

[Agonar]

I am a complete newbie to this thrilling game (started playing 4 days ago), but so far I've understood that the ROI method is the way to go. :)

You refer to an excel spreadsheet that calculates the ROI, but I can't seems to download one. In the forums I've found it, I'm unable to download it (even though I'm registered).

Can someone please post a link to a spreadsheet that I can download?

Thanks!

[Agsded]

I do use ROI, I just have a floor level where I stopped buying lower level lands. And you shouldn't need a spreadsheet to figure out the next land to buy, it's not that hard. The number of your lands should always go in a descending order from top to bottom of the screen, and from there it's simple math.

[Victory2b]

Can someone please post a link to a spreadsheet that I can download?

Thanks!

http://www.justcalcit.com/kingdoms/

It's not quite as good as the spreadsheets but it works.

[itsMartini]

I do use ROI, I just have a floor level where I stopped buying lower level lands. And you shouldn't need a spreadsheet to figure out the next land to buy, it's not that hard. The number of your lands should always go in a descending order from top to bottom of the screen, and from there it's simple math.

Obviously you don't understand ROI, because it doesn't just go down as the props get more expensive.

[Agsded]

Obviously you don't understand ROI, because it doesn't just go down as the props get more expensive.

Obviously you don't understand what a floor and ceiling are in the business sense?

[Spiderham]

Sorry guys, but, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH!!! If it costs you 180,000 to make 2,200 buying one land and 170,000 to make 2,400 by buying 2 separate lands, then go for the 2 land deal. It's, by no means, a waste of time to buy lesser properties being that this entire game about waiting. Wait for mana to build, wait for spirit, etc.

I am definitely not an expert on this game, but I'm no slouch at making money in real life. Again, sorry about the blah thing, but this guy's getting to me.

[Unregistered]

Asged, you call it simple math, well then just curious, show us your amazing formula, for I'm DYING to know just what weird made up system you're using in mathematical terms, then compare it to the one I left you on your other thread. The math should tell all.

[itsMartini]

Obviously you don't understand what a floor and ceiling are in the business sense?

I understand what a floor price is in a business sense, but in this game everything is so easy to do. You push a button, not even a button, just a flat screen, and there you go, 1 more farm, that took 1 second. If you don't feel you have the time to buy farms, then that's fine by me. I understand they don't make that much difference in income.

[Unregistered]

Come on Asged, post your magical formula! I know you've been on, please share your wisdom with those of us who understand basic high school economics, yet somehow are "wasting our time" with a method that you claim doesn't work.

[Agsded]

Come on Asged, post your magical formula! I know you've been on, please share your wisdom with those of us who understand basic high school economics, yet somehow are "wasting our time" with a method that you claim doesn't work.

I'm not posting in this thread anymore.

1. Learn to spell.

2. Make a real account.

3. Use your in-game username and stop being a coward.

Peace

[trenae]

Newb question but we all were once. What is ROI ?


Return on Investment (ROI) - if you want more info you can check out this link. http://www.immoforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=23

[Unregistered]

I'm not posting in this thread anymore.

1. Learn to spell.

2. Make a real account.

3. Use your in-game username and stop being a coward.

Peace

I never misspelled anything, and you're the coward. You claim it's simple math, but you're too afraid to show it. You insult people all the time and never justify your own ideas, just claim they're better than others, so do US all a favor and think before you post. By the way, there are more than just me posting anonymously on here. I didn't write all those comments, so cheers. Just watch your mouth from now on.

[gnxROUGE]

in kingdoms- you need every piece of gold you can get.